David Livingston has now uploaded the audio of my appearance on the Space Show earlier this week on November 11, 2025.
You can download the audio of the program here.
To watch the zoom broadcast, go here.
The most important point I made during this show was at the beginning, as described by David Livingston’s summary of the show:
During the program Bob made some predictions about the future of space exploration. Zimmerman claimed that SpaceX, rather than NASA, is currently the most effective American space program. He predicted that in two years, everyone would recognize SpaceX’s dominance. Zimmerman also suggested that NASA’s role should become less significant, with its focus shifting to supporting private space endeavors rather than leading space exploration efforts.
I was actually more blunt. I said that SpaceX is the American space program right now, and that SpaceX doesn’t need NASA or the U.S. government in any way to carry it out, as it is entirely funded from Starlink revenues. I also predicted that NASA and its Artemis program is now irrelevant, though no one yet realizes it.
I added that this is going to be one of my many predictions that everyone will claim they made, two years hence. I’m making it now. I am quite willing to bet I will be right.
Everyone should take a listen. You will find the discussion afterward most revealing.