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Trump lawyers detail extensive election fraud

The lawyers for the Trump campaign today held a press conference outlining in extensive detail the evidence they have gathered pointing to election fraud in multiple states, all designed to manufacture fake votes for Joe Biden or to disenfranchise Trump voters.

Yes, I know, it is a press conference. And yes I know, it is run by only one side. To simply dismiss what that side said however is to put one’s head in the sand. Two allegations struck me as particularly damning:

Giuliani offered evidence to show that 15,000 voters in Pittsburgh alone were disenfranchised of their vote, and forced to vote via provisional ballot when they arrived at their polling place. These voters allegedly were told that they had already voted by mail.

Giuliani alleged as well that ballots were trucked into Detroit at 4:30 am on election night to be counted after poll workers believed that Republican observers to the count had left. He claimed that workers said that these were Biden ballots, improperly packaged, and without votes for any of the additional races. He said that the votes were counted three times.

In the first case the allegations apparently came from the voters themselves. If based on actual legal affidavits, the allegations have real merit, and suggest massive fraud in Pittsburgh alone.

In the second case, more details are found here.

Guiliani went on to cite testimony from witnesses to bolster his case, ripped the media for falsely reporting there is “no evidence” of fraud and argued proper oversight was not executed while mail-in ballots were counted.

“Do you know how many affidavits were have in the Michigan case? Two hundred and twenty affidavits,” he said. “What they swear to is that at 4:30 in the morning, a truck pulled up to the Detroit center where they were counting ballots. The people thought it was food so they all ran to the truck. It wasn’t food, it was thousands and thousands of ballots and the ballots were in garbage cans, they were in paper bags, they were cardboard boxes and they were taken into the center. They were put on a number of tables. At that time they thought all of the Republican inspectors had left, all but two had.”

“Here’s what they jointly swear to: that every ballot that they could see, everything that they Ould hear, these were ballots for Biden. When they saw a ballot, these were ballots only for Biden, nothing down ticket,” Guiliani continued. “Many of them were triple counted.”

“Why would you not allow inspections of those ballots? Because you knew you were going to use those ballots to catch Biden up,” Guiliani said, adding that the recount in Georgia will be worthless due to a lack of signature [emphasis mine]

The highlighted text puts the lie to the claim that no evidence of election fraud exists. An affidavit is a legal document that carries I think penalties if found to be a lie. Moreover, when you begin to get a lot of them, all confirming each other, their reliability is strongly reinforced.

The election count in the disputed states needs to be completely reviewed, carefully, by going back to the actual ballots. The computer data is untrustworthy and must be put aside.

If that review finds Joe Biden won, so be it. It would mean the country favored the Republicans overall, but preferred a change in president.

If that review instead shows Trump did win, and that a large amount of voter fraud occurred, then major investigations are in order to find the perpetrators. It must also be the number one priority of Republicans in every one of these states (all controlled at the legislative level by Republicans) to overhaul the election system to prevent such fraud from reoccurring. Better to go back to simple paper ballots that are counted by hand, than the unreliable computer systems we have now.

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  • Andrew_W

    Giuliani alleged as well that ballots were trucked into Detroit at 4:30 am . .

    Sounds like a big conspiracy . . theory.

  • V-Man

    Up here in Canada, we vote with paper ballots that are hand-counted by reps from all the major parties (we have 3-4 of them at every level, municipal, provincial, federal). To fill a ballot, you need to provide two pieces of ID, one with a picture, and your name is crossed off the voters’ list (again, under the watchful eyes of party reps). Said list is updated before every election. There is no electronics at any point in the process, yet voting has never taken me more than 15-20 minutes and we almost always get results within hours of the polls closing.

    Such a system is easy to implement and run. The fact that it is not means that the powers that be want to be able to change the results (and probably have many times, given how many US elections end up 50.1% vs. 49.9% or similar).

    Best of luck to our southern neighbors.

  • Call Me Ishmael

    “…all controlled at the legislative level by Republicans”

    Not exactly. I think all those states have Democrat governors, and enough Democrats in the legislatures to uphold a veto.

  • Call Me Ishmael: Your quote from my post clearly focuses on the “legislative level.” I was not referrring to the governors, where Democrats are governors in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin. In Georgia and Arizona Republicans hold the governorship.

    And while you are right that the Democrats in these legislatures can uphold a veto, notice what that implies: We expect the Democrats to oppose any overhaul of the voting system that might prevent election fraud.

    Does that not raise more questions about the sanctity of the results now?

  • Cotour

    Andrew W: So naive.

    Where is the statement of outrage from Dominion? Where are the threats of law suits?

    The Trump team has just destroyed that company.

    (There will be no statement of outrage, nor will there be any law suits)

    Figure it out.

  • Andrew _W

    Contour, I’ve no doubt that the person’s named by Trump’s lawyers and accused of electoral fraud will file suits. I’m busy at the moment, perhaps you could list the names of those people.

  • Call Me Ishmael

    Reply to Mr. Z:

    Well, OK, but the next words in your post were “to overhaul the election system”. Which will not happen if any Republican-sponsored legislation gets vetoed. And yes, it looks terrible to anyone who looks. But a lot of people just don’t care to look, and the Democrats are betting that will be enough.

  • Cotour

    The Trump lawyers specifically called the company “DOMINION” out as frauds and international criminals.

    This is not a deep dive here.

  • Call Me Ishmael: The Republicans have had the bad habit for years of immediately bowing to Democratic Party pressure when neither side has sufficient votes to get things done. Politically I think the advantage here is to the Republicans. They must demand overhaul, loudly and repeatedly, and make the Democrats squirm for resisting.

    Do this, and reforms can be achieved.

  • Cotour

    Andrew W: Want to know about partisan politics in America? Want to know about how the democrats in fact act?

    Listen to Congressman, Mo Brooks (R) Alabama:

    Your education begins.

  • NavyNuke

    “Do you know how many affidavits were have in the Michigan case? Two hundred and twenty affidavits,”

    If we treat this like SARS-CoV-2 studies, then so many data points mean that we can’t possibly know the actual underlying causes. It could be that these were 200+ simple oversights leading to misunderstandings. With such confounding data, anything could be true. It could be a conspiracy or it could be a conspiracy theory. Maybe we should just all sing kumbaya in the lights of the burning book pyre while the train conductors attach the loading ramps to cattle cars.

  • Cotour


    Not necessary, if you take the time to listen to the video above featuring rep. Mo Brooks he goes into who in the end chooses the president, and that is in fact the Congress. If the Congress determines that a state has not run a fair and honest election the Congress can dismiss their results. And this may indeed be the ultimate development given the overt acts of cheating and corruption that has become apparent in at least 5 states.

    And if none of the candidates attain the required 270 electoral votes, then its the Congress that chooses the president and the Senate chooses the vice president. He goes through the process and is very informative in both how the Democrats cheat, and who in fact chooses the president if their is a fraudulent or corrupt election.

    Game on.

  • wayne

    “Mid-November through December 14, 2020:
    After the presidential election, the Governor of your State prepares seven Certificates of Ascertainment. “As soon as practicable,” after the election results in your State are certified, the Governor sends one of those original Certificates of Ascertainment to the Archivist.
    By December 8, 2020—States resolve controversies:
    (at least six days before the meeting of the electors)
    –>States must make final decisions in any controversies over the appointment of their electors at least six days before the meeting of the electors. This is so their electoral votes will be presumed valid when presented to Congress. Decisions by States’ courts are conclusive, if decided under laws enacted before Election Day.
    December 14, 2020—electors vote in their States:
    The electors meet in their respective States and vote for President and Vice President on separate ballots. The electors record their votes on six Certificates of Vote, which are paired with the six remaining Certificates of Ascertainment. The electors sign, seal, and certify six sets of electoral votes. A set of electoral votes consists of one Certificate of Ascertainment and one Certificate of Vote.
    December 23, 2020—electoral votes arrive in the Capital:
    Electoral votes (the Certificates of Vote) must be received by the President of the Senate and the Archivist no later than nine days after the meeting of the electors. If votes are lost or delayed, the Archivist may take extraordinary measures to retrieve duplicate originals.
    On or before January 3, 2021—Archivist transfers Certificates to Congress:
    As the new Congress assembles, the Archivist transmits sets of Certificates to Congress, as requested. This generally happens when the Senate does not receive its set of Certificates on time. The transfer occurs in late December or early January when OFR’s Legal staff meets with representatives of the Secretary of the Senate and the Clerk of the House.

    January 6, 2021—Congress counts the electoral votes:
    Congress meets in joint session to count the electoral votes. The Vice President, as President of the Senate, presides over the count and announces the results of the Electoral College vote. The President of the Senate then declares which persons, if any, have been elected President and Vice President of the United States.

    If any objections to the electoral votes are made, they must be submitted in writing and be signed by at least one member of the House and one Senator. If objections are presented, the House and Senate withdraw to their respective chambers to consider the merits of the objection(s) under procedures set out in Federal law.

    If no Presidential candidate wins at least 270 electoral votes (a majority of the 538 available votes), under the 12th Amendment to the Constitution the House of Representatives decides the Presidential election.
    If necessary, the House would elect the President by majority vote, choosing from among the three candidates who received the greatest number of electoral votes. The vote would be taken by State, with each State having one vote. (The District of Columbia does not vote because it doesn’t have voting members in the House of Representatives.)

    If no Vice Presidential candidate wins at least 270 electoral votes (a majority or the 538 available votes), under the 12th Amendment the Senate elects the Vice President. If necessary, the Senate would elect the Vice President by majority vote, choosing between the two candidates who received the greatest number of electoral votes. Each Senator would have one vote.

    January 20, 2021 at Noon—Inauguration Day
    The President-elect and Vice President-elect take the Oath of Office and become the President of the United States and Vice President of the United States, respectively.

  • Cotour

    I remember writing here on BTB several years ago now, and the subject? George Soros and his investments in vote tabulation companies and that these companies use off shore tabulation computers that were located in Spain. That on its face did not make any sense to me and all I saw was fraud and corruption (I have no way to find these posts but they would be interesting to take a look at)

    D O M I N I O N and associated and listed companies, specifically.

    I ask again, where is the company, Dominion, outrage? Where are their threats of massive law suits?

    Their company has been rendered useless and worthless by Rudy Giuliani, Sidney Powell and others in a very public way. Who will have any confidence in their vote in the future? I know I have not because I was and am very suspicious of the electronic manner of voting, and I will not in the future be confident unless and until a proper and secure system is developed and it is rock solid to my thinking.

    The Democrats MUST cheat in all that they say think and do, (Does that offend you?) if not only the mentally ill would pay any attention to them. They must lie and cheat because they are all to a man and a woman whether they realize it or not part of a fraudulent and dying Socialist / Globalist world view and are in fact anti and un American. The Democrats historically have no interest in fair and honest elections and they are committed to in fact making them less fair rather than more secure and honest. If not they would rarely be elected to any political office.

    If you supported the Democrats especially in this election cycle you have voted for Socialism, plain and simple. You are a de facto Socialist. How does that feel as an American? I know the majority of you are not Socialists, but that is the result of your vote.

    If you voted Democrat this is in essence what you voted for your future looking something like. have you heard of “The Great Rebuild”?, have you heard Joe Biden’s bumper sticker, “Build Back Better”? Well this is what that means in the time of the very convenient, Covid 19. This is the end goal: (And if you are a man lucky for you, in this new world you will be able to menstruate if you so choose)

    The Democrat party is dying and this fraudulent election event and what will come from it via the Trump presidency will be their final reveal to a majority of Americans. Unless the Main Stream Globalist corporate media is able to just erase it all from the universe. And those who will not face the facts of just how dishonest and controlling these operatives who work in the interests of international agendas and NOT America and our Constitution?

    They will either have a nervous break down and will live the rest of their lives in a mumbling, vegetative and angry state (As will any Trump supporter who is unable to rationally understand what is what). Or they will open their eyes and see what must be seen and what must be done. Objective truth cares not about your political party or what news / media you watch and these two realities must at some point become reconciled in the truth that neither side may wish to see.

    Remember, everything on going in our country right now, the deception, the corruption was anticipated by the Founders. The Founders designed our Democratic Republic around one fundamental concept, human beings will abuse the power that they are empowered with. And that is the function of the Constitution, counter balancing the nature of man related to the abuse of power. Plain and simple. If you never fully understood the Constitution, you think its too complex for you to understand, this is your starting point, embrace it and understand it.

    Everything is revealed in the era of Trump, and that in the end is his function as president.

  • Cotour

    And here is the answer to my question: Where is Dominion and where are their outrage and laws suits?

  • Andrew_W

    Cotour, I completely understand the reluctance of Dominion exec to be grilled by people who have clearly lost their minds, but not standing up to their bullying was a serious mistake. All a lot like those that run away from bullying by other mobs – including the woke cancel culture mobs, from which many flee in terror.

  • Cotour

    Andrew W:

    Exactly how do you see these people as “losing their minds’. What in the on going process is it that you see as being not correct or an indication of insanity.

    Who in your opinion have lost their minds, and why? I am very interested in your answer.

  • Andrew_W

    The losers who’ve been captured by their convictions that they were cheated, letting fly with accusations with no evidence, the whole thing is spiraling into a vicious circle with each buying the others BS, lots of dog whistles. Giuliani isn’t building a legal case, those are fought in courts, with public appeals he’s trying to build an angry lynch mob.

    I’m listening to Sydney Powell’s claims now, the claims are too bizarre and many will be proven wrong once the paper tallies are in, that will be the time for legal action to commence. It’s obvious that she’s Giuliani’s fall guy, she’s the one making the specific allegations against Dominion. There will be law suits, but why rush them?

  • Cotour

    Thank you.

    There is as much PR going on as there are legal wranglings, and what the Trump legal team will without doubt have to deliver on as they get to court is the evidence that supports their contentions. And if they deliver, assuming that the judge or judges they argue in front of have the stones if they do indeed deliver have the stones to do what must be done. Potential civil chaos or not.

    This is our system, this is our process. Just allow it to evolve and come to their just conclusions, and not a convenient political conclusion.

    We are still waiting.

    And I strongly suspect that Dominion would not dare file any law suits where their systems and practices and pedigree will come under discovery. And the lack of their public outrage and unwillingness to meet with Pennsylvania law makers at this important moment in history is damning.

  • Cotour

    Out of the mouths of babes, and life long career, self enriching politicians who have seen better days? :

    Or is it, honesty? The irrational ramblings of dementia? An in your face truthful slip of the tongue?

    We all remember Joes ego driven boasting how for the sake of a $1 billion dollar loan guarantee to the government of Ukraine he got the prosecutor fired that was criminally looking into the energy company board that was and has paid him millions. Is Joe just once again boasting? Joe knew he did not have to campaign, the fix was in?

  • Cotour

    That should have read:

    “We all remember Joes ego driven boasting how for the sake of a $1 billion dollar loan guarantee to the government of Ukraine he got the prosecutor fired that was criminally looking into the energy company board that was and has paid his SON millions.”

    Just a bit more honesty, Joe Biden style?

  • pzatchok

    The simple fact is.
    Dominion is NOT being open and forward about its role in all this.

    They could shut everyone up about their voting machines just by letting their software out to inspection.
    They might not want it out because….
    1 It is copy written so it can not be copied. Well that can not be it.
    2 They are using someone elses software.
    3 The software can be easily manipulated to effect the final outcome.
    4 Errors are common but so far have not effected an outcome.

  • Cotour

    You are forgetting #5, They had executives on the ground in Pennsylvania expressly for the purpose of handling any unforeseen events where there might be special adjustments made.

    And #6, The actual pedigree of their company.

    And #7, The history of their activities in other country’s where they may have also made certain adjustments as needed.

    This is probably a long list, and no one in a perjury condition testifying wants to be answering any of them.

  • pzatchok

    To change how we elect anyone would require a constitutional amendment and I can not see that ever happening.

    But just like with the Pot legalization movement we could change things one state at a time.
    For every state changed the Democrats excuses not to change get weaker and weaker. After about 10 states the momentum and evidence of improvement will start to force the rest to change.

  • pzatchok

    I was ignoring their past history and pedigree.
    No use bring it up until real evidence shows up. Anyone could be honest once and this could be theirs.

    As for executives on the ground. I would require it of any company in every state their equipment is being used.

    The one thing I find odd is the fact they updates some machines just days before the election.
    I for one would want them finished with any and all updates a month before and a random software inspection done after each update.

  • Max

    It’s been a while since I looked at the black box voting website. (Not updated since 2018?)
    The information there of voting irregularities and the results of other voting techniques that were a disaster (particularly the ones produced by the Pentagon) are simply overwhelming.
    A couple of things stood out to me.

    “Most of you may know that the majority of votes cast in America are now counted by foreign-owned companies. One of the few still owned by Americans is partially owned by Bain Capital. We as voters have little to no control over how our votes are counted.”

    Bain capital is Mitt Romney. When he ran for president, he put most of his holdings in his sons “Tag Romney” New business specializing in an investment company used by other investment companies to hide their money in offshore accounts to avoid taxes.

    I’m amazed how many rhino Republicans are involved. I don’t think it’s a coincidence in the recent march on Washington by Trump supporters that was joined by “zero” Republican leaders.

    The oligarchs have taken over. The vote goes to the highest bidder. Even Mike Lee, with the highest pro constitution voting in the Senate, has recently taken $1 million from Google.
    I’ve said it before, and it’s more true today than ever… The leader ship of United States, most powerful nation on earth, would never be left to chance. Not when there are trillions of dollars at stake.
    It is said that “they don’t want to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs”, they just want to own and control it. Unfortunately, those who are manipulating our economy and bringing it to the state of foreclosure so they can buy it up pennies on the dollar, do not know how to manage it without force. In other words, they don’t know how to feed or take care of the goose. So what will they do when it stops laying the golden eggs? If the goose gets mad and tries to bite them?

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