Employers hiring freelancers to avoid Obamacare


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Finding out what’s in it: A new study has found that almost three-quarters of all employers have decided to hire freelance workers rather than full-time employees in order to avoid the costs of Obamacare.

After surveying 600 human resource employees and 959 freelancers, the results show a whopping 68 percent of employers said the ACA will have a “high impact” on their hiring decision with 74 percent saying they plan to increase freelance contracts.

But don’t worry. Those evil conservatives who opposed Obamacare have been defeated. The next president, one of two liberal Democrats, will work to keep Obamacare, a law Democrats shoved down our throats, working

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  • Cotour

    ” The next president, one of two liberal Democrats”

    Are you really that sure of yourself on this subject based on what just happened and the momentum that appears to be in play?

    Trump is at least a 50/ 50 bet at this moment in time.

    (I am writing this and I realize that you do not mean Bernie but Trump as the other liberal democrat)

    Still, Trump will be preferable to the she devil and he may well do many things that you approve of. We are all going to have to wait this one out.

  • Wayne

    Cotour:
    Personally– totally sure Trump can be characterized as a “liberal Democrat!”

  • Cotour

    “Still, Trump will be preferable to the she devil ”

    And there the conundrum will be presented to you.

    What will you do?

  • Steve Earle

    I believe that Trump won the minute he said “I will build a wall”

    The voting public is not happy about Obamacare, but they are downright outraged about illegal immigration. (myself included)

    I was a Cruz supporter, but I will take a “lesser of two evils” Trump for 4 years if it means we finally do SOMETHING about illegal immigration.

    If we keep the Senate and the House, hopefully they will keep Trump from going too far to the left, and may actually get some conservative reforms passed.

    Will it be a perfect 4 years? No, but at least we’ll get a wall, right? (my guess is he’ll do it, whatever it takes, since that was his signature promise… we’ll see)

  • Cotour

    Like I said earlier, Steve Earl you are a wise man.

  • Mitch S.

    Wasn’t GWB a solid conservative who was for responsible spending, reducing entitlements, securing our borders and against “nation building”?

    Did he do any of that?

  • I am not talking about who has the best chance of winning. I don’t focus on the horse race, I focus on what the candidates do and believe in.

  • “Will it be a perfect 4 years? No, but at least we’ll get a wall, right?”

    Don’t bet on it. See “Confusion follows Trump flip-flop on key immigration issue”. I predict Trump will end up allying himself with the people he grew up with, the Democrats, and change his mind.

  • Cotour

    Lets focus on the horse race first and win that and then we can wring our hands about what will or will not be.

  • You, like too many Americans, have it totally backwards, which is why we as a nation keep picking bad politicians. You’ll get your victory, and then gnash your teeth in frustration when nothing you hoped would happen does.

  • Cotour

    You again are applying scientific method which is based in logic to a human issue which is based in emotion, so in reality you IMO have it back wards. Would it be nice if we could weigh all of the variables and make a decision based on that data? Sure, but that is not how politics works.

    Trump is a mostly unknown political quantity, he will have the opportunity to raise himself up and be effective or be just a run of the mill political hack.

    Any way you boil it down Hillary must not win the presidency, that is the first priority, we can all gnash our teeth together after what what must be accomplished is accomplished. lets get the sequence of events down and in place and executed, then we can all cry about what is or is not.

  • Wayne

    It’s not a “horse-race,” it’s a Party primary process, I think that’s (one of) the greater-concepts in play.

  • Wayne

    Cotour:
    “Trump is a mostly unknown political quantity, he will have the opportunity to raise himself up and be effective or be just a run of the mill political hack.”

    You would rather go with an unknown-quantity Vs. a known quantity in Cruz?

  • Wayne

    Anyone crying here? Personally I’m just befuddled by the logic (or “emotion”) of the Trump supporters.

  • Mitch S.

    “too many Americans, have it totally backwards, which is why we as a nation keep picking bad politicians.”

    So it must be perfection or nothing.
    Brings to mind “The Charge of the Light Brigade”
    Suicide but so valiant.

    For the purists the only choice was Cruz. (Well maybe Ben Carson for a few moments).
    When I’ve mentioned leaning toward Kasich I’ve been lambasted for supporting a disguised Democrat.
    But is the worship of Cruz on a solid, unchallengeable foundation?
    He’s been in the Senate a short time, was a latecomer on immigration reform and frankly his hard moral conservative stance probably hurt him in indiana (They are worried about jobs and Nat’l security, Cruz talked about guys in dresses sneaking into the ladies room).

    I haven’t given up on Cruz. Maybe he is a stand-up honest conservative and patriot.
    But there are those who argue he’s a narcissistic opportunist and I don’t have enough evidence to counter their arguments.

    Bottom line. I don’t see the voters as idiots.
    I see voters that desperately want to break up an entrenched establishment that has been promising Republican voters much then stabbing them in the back.
    Some have an unmerited enthusiasm for Trump but many are realistic and made their decision by weighing the options.
    Cruz? If he’s the guy his supporters say he is then he’ll still be around and gaining in strength.

  • Cotour

    Cruz is no longer an option.

    If you do not roll the dice and now choose to support Trump because Cruz is no longer an option who are you supporting?

  • Wayne

    To quote Spock, “There are always options.”

    And a Latin Proverb:
    “Inveniemus viam aut faciemus!”

  • Mitch S.

    To clarify, I know Cruz is out for this election, I’ll be pressing the button for Trump.
    But I want to comfort those who have rent their clothes and sprinkled themselves with ashes, that Cruz isn’t dead, if the next Pres fails or terms out Cruz will still be young for a candidate.
    During the next Presidency (whether Trump’s or Hillary’s) Cruz will have the opportunity to show voters who he really is.

    As far as the Nat’l Review, George Will, the WSJ etc… well keep whining – your party may very well be over.
    Voters woke up and realized it’s not party time anymore, if Trump wasn’t there, the voters would have chosen Cruz (“lucifer”).
    If you really think your positions are the best for America (open borders, one sided free trade, lots of visas to replace expensive American workers with foreigners) then build a case and explain it to the voters because they seem to follow Buffet’s observation when it came to investing in Enron “I never invest in a business I don’t understand”.

  • Who said anything about demanding perfection? I was only noting that I think Cotour’s approach that we concentrate on winning rather than the quality of the candidate to be a bad ordering of priorities.

  • Edward

    Mitch S. wrote: “But there are those who argue he’s a narcissistic opportunist … Cruz? If he’s the guy his supporters say he is then he’ll still be around and gaining in strength.”

    The narcissistic opportunist is Trump. Plenty of evidence for that. Cruz may still be around, but will the US Constitution?

    Remember that it will be a liberal Democrat choosing our next Supreme Court Justice.

  • Steve Earle

    Cotour said:
    “…Trump is a mostly unknown political quantity, he will have the opportunity to raise himself up and be effective or be just a run of the mill political hack….”

    Or…… he could turn out to be our worst nightmare, a cult-of-personality leader who ups the Executive Order ante and attempts to follow his own random-idea-of-the-day regardless of what Congress thinks. After all, Obama did it, why can’t he?

    The road to hell (or Fascism) is paved with good intentions.

    I will still vote for him since he is better than the confirmed lefty (and criminal) Hillary, but I will not only be holding my nose, I will be holding my breath….

    Here’s to hoping you are right Cotour! :-)

  • Cotour

    When I am jammed up and things seem to be going haywire I do one thing. I step back, reassess and concentrate on what I do have, not on what I do not have. Then I can either stay where I am or move positively but cautiously into the future.

    I have great faith and confidence that my sequence is the appropriate sequence in this matter at this time. The end result is unknowable but its what must be.

    “Who said anything about demanding perfection? ”

    You. Your argument exudes and implies it.

    In about 2 weeks people will get their head straight and wrapped around this situation.

  • I’m glad you can read my mind, but you are wrong. I never expect perfection. But when I have a choice between a reasonably reliable conservative and a consistently liberal Democrat (Trump) who supports the concept of the very law the original post here was about (Obamacare), I think picking the former to be a reasonable choice, and not demanding perfection.

  • Cotour

    And more Clinton implosion, blood on her hands:

    https://youtu.be/IJHioxSyqZI

  • Garry

    Cotour wrote, “Lets focus on the horse race first and win that and then we can wring our hands about what will or will not be.”

    This smacks too much of “we have to vote for the bill so we can see what’s in it.”

    It shouldn’t be pick a train track then see where it goes,
    it should be see where you want to go and then pick the train track that gets you there (or at least closer to there).

  • Cotour

    “it should be ”

    But it is not, I am dealing with what we have not what might have been.

    “This smacks too much of “we have to vote for the bill so we can see what’s in it.”

    Please lay out for me using the people that remain in the race the better scenario. What race are we talking about here? A real world race being run in the now or some other race being run somewhere else.

  • Edward

    If what you wanted was to be on the winning side, Cotour, then you should have voted for Obama.

    The best solution is always to prevent the damage, not repair it afterward. This is why preventative medicine is all the rage, now. If we don’t contract the cancer or heart disease, then we are better off than we would be by going under the knife in an attempt to fix it later.

    It is the same with protecting our Constitution from the abuses that liberal Democrats and progressive Republicans have inflicted over the past century.

    We are now to the point that someone’s feelings are a $135,000 fine more important than the principles that the United States was founded upon. Or that basic privacy of even a public restroom should provide protection from someone with a mirror or webcam on a stick*. Or that the government unilaterally declares that it may direct us as to how to spend our own money — what other oppressive tyranny in all of history has had the audacity to do that? This is not a rhetorical question. I really want to know.

    The degradation of our political system and our governance has resulted in terrible consequences to our society, including the conditions of employment. Any liberal Democrat, including Trump, will continue the oppressive regime that we have lived under for almost a decade.

    From the article: “The workforce is willing to make sacrifices, including compensation and benefits, in order to gain the freedom and flexibility afforded to the freelance career path.”

    I find this difficult to believe. Most of the workforce I have worked with liked the security of a regular job. I have worked with several contractors who liked the freelance career path, and one even thought of his time between jobs as vacation time. But other factors make freelancing more difficult, including the requirement for accurate and equal quarterly tax installments (fines if you get it too wrong).

    I don’t think most of us are entrepreneurial enough or consider long periods of unemployment as enough “freedom, and flexibility” to make the necessary sacrifices to obtain it. It comes with uncertainty and an unreliable income stream. I think that is why the phrase “looking for a job” is more common than “looking for a contract.”

    However, Obamacare seems to be forcing companies to take us in the direction of freelance contractor work.

    We are far down a path that makes life harder and less predictable, despite the purpose of government is to stay out of our way so that we can enjoy life to its fullest.

    Welcome to Obama’s America; land of the formerly free.

    * This happened, a couple of years ago, at the college residence hall that my brother lived in during college. One of the buildings started a unisex bathroom experiment, four decades ago, and recently one guy was caught sticking a camera under the stall dividing wall. Even if this happens once every four decades in each building, how many times a year can we expect it to happen in the US, with all the buildings that we have here?

  • pzatchok

    Trump won the primary because he did two things.
    First he simply identified three things that the American people were pissed off about.
    Then he took the American peoples side and promised to fight against those things. He did it even though the liberal lefties called him and are still calling him everything in the book except human.

    Do you know what Cruz and all the other republican candidates did? They tried to play middle of the road. They acted like every establishment Republican every American hated.

    Then they made it worse by attacking Trump personally just like every lefty was doing.
    They couldn’t attack his talking points because they knew those were what the American people wanted.

    Most candidates who are loosing only stay into curry favor with the winner and maybe gain a little extra political clout in the party. These guys can’t even do that because they truly pissed Trump off so they are totally out now. If Cruz stayed in till the end all he would have gained would be the title of the republican Al Gore cry baby.

    The real power holders in Washington are the Senators and Congressmen. And Trump has no power over any of them unless they give it to him. He might not do what the party says but he will never do what the party doesn’t want him to do.

    Getting Trump in is nothing more than just to block the democrat party from taking the seat. We need to work on taking the real power and gaining more seats for the conservatives we like.

    I am most worried about who the next president will appoint to the SC. Would you rather have an uncontrollable Hillary doing it or a semi controllable Trump?

  • Garry

    Cotour wrote: “Please lay out for me using the people that remain in the race the better scenario. What race are we talking about here? A real world race being run in the now or some other race being run somewhere else.”

    The discussion was about the Republican primary before Cruz dropped out.

    Cruz is, in my judgment, more likely to take us where we want to go than Trump is. In making my judgment I put more emphasis on their records, rather than on what they have been saying recently, because past behavior is more predictive of future behavior than are politicians’ promises, whether they are lifelong politicians or have only recently entered politics.

  • Wayne

    Garry:
    “…past behavior is more predictive of future behavior than are politicians’ promises…”
    -Exactly.
    Too bad my formerly favorite news-channel refused to vet Trump—now the democrats will completely control the narrative, and they don’t even have to lie.
    pzatchok”
    “Would you rather have an uncontrollable Hillary doing it or a semi controllable Trump?”
    -This alleged “future-compliance” with the wishes of the Republicans, is in my opinion, wishful thinking. How exactly is Trump “semi-controllable?” If he gets in, he’s in all the way….and current practice is– there are no restraints.
    –The people of Indiana in their infinite “populist, agrarian, nationalist,” wisdom, not only voted Trump, they voted for Mitch’s favorite RINO in the Senate Primary. Good job Indiana.

    As for the original post—
    I’m semi-retired (by choice), I work PT (exactly 31 hours) & buy my own healthcare, no-subsidy. My predecessor worked 40 hours/wk with full-benefits, but they could not afford to keep that position. When I leave, the position will most likely be eliminated.

    Edward: Absolutely great, well written & thought out, posts!

  • Mitch S.

    Republicans spent the last months debating and arguing who is the best candidate, who is and isn’t conservative or trustworthy or smart or sane.
    That’s how it should be.
    But why, now that a nominee has been chosen, are so many not only attacking the nominee but attacking the voters who chose him.
    These “stupid, low information voters” are the heart of the Republican voting bloc.
    They are the ones who nominated Mitt Romney (the creator of Obamacare’s template) for the establishment.
    They are the ones who nominated “conservative” GWB and got him elected twice.
    I didn’ hear them get castigated when they did those.
    If you blame them for “breaking the party”, you are correct. It’s not Trump who broke the party (it’s power structure really), it’s the voters – they have the power as it should be.

    If you want the voters to put your guy in office, you have to speak to them, understand and address their concerns and educate them on the important issues. Then you accept their choice and work with it.
    I don’t remember Ronald Reagan in 1976, throwing a hissy fit and whining at voters that they threw the Presidency to Carter by nominating Ford.
    Reagan went back to the grindstone, honed his message and built up his grassroots.
    He probably also understood that it was too early for him and had he been nominated in ’76, he would have lost to Carter and we wouldn’t have had a Reagan presidency.

    Bottom line:
    Who will be better for the country Trump or Hillary?
    I can be friends with and have civil discussions with people of both persuasions, but now’s the time to come out and decide – or decide you are on the fence, but stop clenching fists and muttering cusses and start looking to the future.

    PS My screed isn’t really aimed at participants here (who are able to discuss) but to people like the Nat’l Review writer in the RZ’s earlier post.

  • Wayne

    Talking Heads – “Road To Nowhere”
    https://youtu.be/AWtCittJyr0

    “We’re on a road to nowhere, come on inside.
    Takin’ that ride to nowhere, we’ll take that ride.
    I’m feelin’ okay this mornin’…and you know…
    We’re on the road to paradise, here we go…..
    (here we go.)

  • Steve Earle

    pzatchok said:
    “….Trump won the primary because he did two things.
    First he simply identified three things that the American people were pissed off about.
    Then he took the American peoples side and promised to fight against those things. He did it even though the liberal lefties called him and are still calling him everything in the book except human.

    Do you know what Cruz and all the other republican candidates did? They tried to play middle of the road. They acted like every establishment Republican every American hated.

    Then they made it worse by attacking Trump personally just like every lefty was doing.
    They couldn’t attack his talking points because they knew those were what the American people wanted….”
    ***********************************************************************

    I agree that the other candidates tried to play middle of the road. The irony of that was Trump was dragging them to the Right, esp about illegal immigration, and yet Trump will likely “Make a Deal” that will be far more Left-friendly….

    I don’t agree that they made it worse by attacking Trump personally. Don’t forget that Trump was the primary name-caller in this race. When Trump is calling you “Little Marco” or “Lyin Ted”, you have to respond or be thought of as too weak…..

  • Mitch S.

    “Road to Nowhere”.
    Better than “Eve of Destruction”!

    Some here might enjoy this piece by Camille Paglia.
    My politics certainly doesn’t line up with hers (she’s a Bernie supporter) but I enjoy her intellect and willingness to tell it the way she sees it.

    http://www.salon.com/2016/05/05/its_not_about_sexism_camille_paglia_on_trump_hillarys_restless_bitterness_and_the_end_of_the_elites/

  • Garry

    Bernie’s (and every liberal’s) theme song should be “I’d Love to Change the World” by Ten Years After

    The truth-telling lines are

    Tax the rich Feed the poor
    Till there are no rich no more

    Because of course it’s better if everybody’s poor and nobody’s rich, rather than the opposite.

  • Edward

    Garry wrote: “The truth-telling lines are

    “Tax the rich Feed the poor
    “Till there are no rich no more

    “Because of course it’s better if everybody’s poor and nobody’s rich, rather than the opposite.”
    ********************************

    Of course, since the rich are taxed in order to feed the poor, once there are no rich no more, the poor don’t get fed no more.

    Socialism, Marxism, liberalism, or whatever you want to call this redistributionist philosophy, is very short-sighted. Too bad short-sighted is the direction America is taking. We used to be the bread basket to the world; what happens when we can’t even feed ourselves, anymore?

    Maybe those (soon-to-be rich) Russian homesteaders can help out.

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