Anti-Trump protesters get violent
Fascist brownshirts: A man tries to walk down the street in California wearing a Trump hat and gets physically attacked by anti-Trump protesters.
Nor is this all. The link describes numerous other examples of violence by anti-Trump protesters in California. This link describes additional anti-Trump violence, including smashing windows, destroying police cars, and attacking Trump supporters. More here.
I have posted a video below the fold of the man with the Trump hat being attacked.
As those who read my website know, I am not a fan of Donald Trump. However, I support fully the right of free speech for him and his supporters. Moreover, a close look at what he says shows that he isn’t a bigot nor is he racist. He has been very clear about his positions on immigration and Middle East refugees, and in neither case has he called for a ban based on race or religion. In the first case he has simply demanded that our immigration laws be enforced, and has justly criticized the federal government for failing to do its job. In the second case he has clearly said that this is not the time to accept large numbers of unvetted immigrants from the Middle East. While I do not trust him to do what he says, in neither case has he said anything that is that unreasonable.
These anti-Trump protesters however are not moved by mere disagreement. All that appears to move them is hate. They hate Trump and his supporters, see them as evil, and want them destroyed, by any means necessary. And if you don’t believe me watch the video below the fold.
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Fascist brownshirts: A man tries to walk down the street in California wearing a Trump hat and gets physically attacked by anti-Trump protesters.
Nor is this all. The link describes numerous other examples of violence by anti-Trump protesters in California. This link describes additional anti-Trump violence, including smashing windows, destroying police cars, and attacking Trump supporters. More here.
I have posted a video below the fold of the man with the Trump hat being attacked.
As those who read my website know, I am not a fan of Donald Trump. However, I support fully the right of free speech for him and his supporters. Moreover, a close look at what he says shows that he isn’t a bigot nor is he racist. He has been very clear about his positions on immigration and Middle East refugees, and in neither case has he called for a ban based on race or religion. In the first case he has simply demanded that our immigration laws be enforced, and has justly criticized the federal government for failing to do its job. In the second case he has clearly said that this is not the time to accept large numbers of unvetted immigrants from the Middle East. While I do not trust him to do what he says, in neither case has he said anything that is that unreasonable.
These anti-Trump protesters however are not moved by mere disagreement. All that appears to move them is hate. They hate Trump and his supporters, see them as evil, and want them destroyed, by any means necessary. And if you don’t believe me watch the video below the fold.
On Christmas Eve 1968 three Americans became the first humans to visit another world. What they did to celebrate was unexpected and profound, and will be remembered throughout all human history. Genesis: the Story of Apollo 8, Robert Zimmerman's classic history of humanity's first journey to another world, tells that story, and it is now available as both an ebook and an audiobook, both with a foreword by Valerie Anders and a new introduction by Robert Zimmerman.
The print edition can be purchased at Amazon. from any other book seller, or direct from my ebook publisher, ebookit. The ebook is available everywhere for $5.99 (before discount) at amazon, or direct from my ebook publisher, ebookit. If you buy it from ebookit you don't support the big tech companies and the author gets a bigger cut much sooner.
The audiobook is also available at all these vendors, and is also free with a 30-day trial membership to Audible.
"Not simply about one mission, [Genesis] is also the history of America's quest for the moon... Zimmerman has done a masterful job of tying disparate events together into a solid account of one of America's greatest human triumphs."--San Antonio Express-News
“Moreover, a close look at what he says shows that he isn’t a bigot nor is he racist…
…While I do not trust him to do what he says, in neither case has he said anything that is that unreasonable.”
A thoughtful, honest opinion of Trump.
If Trump’s Republican opponents and detractors had been as thoughtful and honest, instead of going from mocking him to freaking out with the “Hitler” treatment, they might have had the credibility to present those who are attracted to Trump’s ideas with an alternate candidate without Trump’s considerable negatives.
Probably true, and the irony is that Trump is at least as guilty of mocking, and failing to be thoughtful and honest.
Good point Garry, but it seems Trump supporters put up with it because they knew something about Trump going in.
Trump may mouth off like a professional wrestler, Trump may say some things (particularly about women) that aren’t politically correct, Trump may show a lack of good taste.
But people know Trump was involved with the WWE, Trump owned beauty pageants, sticks his name on all his buildings (and those he doesn’t really own), Trump’s idea of “class” is a giant portrait of himself.
Trump has had businesses go bankrupt but he’s built a lot and made a lot.
He’s been twice divorced – but his exes and their kids support his candidacy.
And Trump never held public office.
Trump is a different case. When his opponents tried to use his tactics they had it blow up in their faces.
(If you’re telling people “I am the anti-Trump” then you can’t act like Trump)
When Trump exhibits his known personality flaws it actually enhances his genuineness.
When other candidates mold themselves to the consultants recommendations – well look at what Christie did to Rubio.
I am sure the FBI will be investigating the DNC and their “non-profit” activist groups for calling on their militant activists to engage in the violent suppression of people engaging in our political system.
This is the whole purpose of their mobs. To physically intimidate people.
Will anyone ask Bernie and Hillary to condemn the violence carried out by their supporters? Let’s see if the media has the same standard of conduct for everyone.
The guy who sucker punched a Democrat activist being escorted out of a campaign event was arrested, let’s see if the law applies to everyone.
The first election I remember was Kennedy-Nixon. So, I’ve been around awhile. No election depresses me as much as the current one.
DK Rog:
Your uncomfortability is a good thing, real change (what ever that change may be) should make you uncomfortable. You must admit that our country can no longer go in the direction that it has been set for the last 30 years, and so the real change needed must make you uncomfortable.
Other indicators of the future:
1. http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/04/30/exclusive-clinton-crash-hillary-received-hundreds-thousands-less-votes-2016-vs-2008/
2. http://nypost.com/2016/04/27/donald-trump-could-amass-most-primary-votes-in-gop-history/
Cotour,
“Real change”? What change? The Great Depression was a change. The Civil War was a change. Heck if Yellowstone erupted it would be a real big change.
Change can be either good or bad.
The question is what change. And do you have an agent of change that understands where we need to go AND HOW TO GET THERE.
What is Trump going to do if he is elected and immediately sends Congress a bill to build the Wall. And Congress says no. Yell? Tweet? Go on Fox News? Call the congress-critters he needs names? That will help. And what if Congress passes the bill and then Greens sue because the Wall will impact some species or other. And the court case drags on for ten years. More Yelling? More Tweeting? He will look like (and be) a powerless dope. Lots and lots of noise but no real accomplishments.
Presidents are effective because they have a party and they work with that party to change things. Obama could never have passed Obamacare unless he had a Democrat congress. What exactly will Trump have? A group of people he disdains and insults at ever opportunity.
Change can either be “good or “bad”, it all depends on your perspective.
Trump will have his learning curve but I suspect that he will engineer two things.
1. He will ally himself with a political savvy player like Newt and others who know how and when to push the buttons and leavers to achieve results.
and
2. He will have a bunch a real angry people that will have put him in power who will become very politically animated upon request.
And I would not worry about the wall issue. Whether it be a material wall or a virtual wall or a self imposed wall, there will be a wall. The reason that there is a problem with our Southern border is because it is being used as a political weapon and agenda. Change the parameters regarding the reasons that people are willing to make the trip and the wall begins to be built. Take a way or reduce the incentives and people will do something else.
Illegal immigration is actually a relatively simple problem, do not confuse yourself about it, just take away the incentive created by the political class for their own political reasons. Watch this video and understand the issue at its core.
https://youtu.be/nniuaZuP_vo
Trump will change the incentive change the perception and that will be the wall.
He might take a page out of Carlie’s book and go on TV, explain the case and then have the viewers press 1 on their smart phones if they agree.
In view of the fact that congress critters value their position and privileges more than any social agenda it might work wonders
Garry wrote (in part) “Trump is at least as guilty of mocking, and failing to be thoughtful and honest.”
Mitch S. wrote (in part) “When Trump exhibits his known personality flaws it actually enhances his genuineness.”
You expanded the conversation a bit, but can you see how your response might be taken in light of what I wrote?
Trump’s personality flaw that concerns me the most is his lack of honesty. Exhibiting that personality flaw does not enhance his genuineness.
Your point is valid for other personality flaws, but not the one I worry about the most.
NormD:
good points.
Garry:
Trump’s lack of honesty bothers me as well. The more he accuses Cruz of lying, the more I am 100% convinced he’s just ‘projecting’ his internal flaws onto his opponent’s. (“me thinks he doth protest too much..”)
Cotour:
– interesting perspective, as always, however… (IMO) Newt has turned out to be a total Progressive & I think you are making assumptions about Trump that he hasn’t demonstrated to date, & I don’t think he ever will.
If anything, Trump is staffing-up with the “usual suspects” more and more.
(as a total aside; personally– I’m sick of billionaires who think they posses some sort of unique talent outside of their own expertise.)
Interesting podcast on “Choosing in Groups,” from the folks at Liberty Fund:
http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/02/michael_munger_1.html
Garry:
To de-expand the conversation back to the original post—
These Trump-haters ARE Fascists. (I prefer the term “Statists,” but that’s just me.)
Personally, I am not a Trump supporter. These organized disruptors however, have no right to use violence or intimidation to silence anyone who likes Trump or wants to hear what he has to say.
Trump has a perfect right to hold a rally & people have a perfect right to peacefully assemble. This take-to-the-streets crap-o-la, is 3rd World behavior. (Right up the Organizer & Chief’s bailiwick, it’s just like Kenya for Obama– he feels right at home.)
The guy in the video– anyone who touched him maliciously, broke the law.
(total tangent, sorry,– interstate travel to incite riots, remains a Federal Crime. Does anyone here think the current DOJ actually investigates these mobs?)
Went to a lot of Tea Party events & we never (never ever!) engaged the opposition with violence, screaming-matches, or intimidation. We did our thing, cleaned up, and went home.
Wayne,
I agree 100% about the Trump-haters.
I don’t count myself as a Trump-hater, and I’ll vote for him over Hillary or Bernie, but I can’t say that I support him.
I’ve often said (with tongue in cheek) that anyone who wants to run for President is unqualified, as they have a huge self esteem problem. I see Trump as a caricature of this.
I am not worried that Trump wont be able to work with congress, I am worried that he will, especially the Democrats. Trump has shown himself to be a savvy user of the system and there isn’t any reason to think he couldn’t work with congress. Unless of course congress doesn’t like what he is proposing.
That’s why I hope that if Trump wins the general, that a bunch of Tea Party type candidates ride his coattails downticket. A conservative insurgency will help balance out the pull to the left. Congress might actually start doing its job, acting as a check and balance.
I expect that Democrats will do everything they can to stop a Trump agenda, no matter what that agenda is, but a few of them will always be able to be picked off. Protests like we see in this post will be common, just like there were when Bush was President and just like they would if any other Republican was President. We will also probably see the left grow closer to Islamist extremist groups like the MB, ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah, and others.
Yo Garry:
Good one! (ref “self-esteem problems” –it’s more true than not, in my professional opinion. And it’s humorous, ‘cuz we all know/suspect, to some degree, it is true.)
This is perhaps where the Party’s, Media, and Culture have let us down, big time. (and we are it, so it’s all on us, if we let it continue..)
– Too much focus on glitz & blow-dried “celebrity” abilities, rather than who merit’s the Job.
Look at Washington (George, that is) they practically had to beg him to be President.
The solution(s) for such, are the topic for another thread….
wodun:
Interesting take. I just don’t think Trump would have a positive impact on the down-ballot, as far as Conservative’s. (Don’t want to run the Experiment to find out!)
-That being said, there is something like a record number, of at least nominal Republicans, holding Local, State, and National office. That’s the real Story, not this “populist, agrarian, nationalist” movement bunk.)
Interesting point on Congress as well. It doesn’t appear however, to matter any more which Party controls Congress. Democrat President gets 100% of what he wants whether Reid or Mitch are in Leadership, same for the House.
–They just blatantly & openly collude against the Citizenry to line their own pockets.
-“Crony Statism gone insane, powered by digital technology and an entrenched Administrative State.
Our “Government” no longer fears the People, they consider us all to be their personal Dairy Cows. (and we all know where they send Elsie, after she stops paying “enough” taxes…)
HormD
“What is Trump going to do if he is elected and immediately sends Congress a bill to build the Wall. And Congress says no. ”
Actually congress passed a bill to build a wall in 2006.
The president signed the bill.
The democrat led and rino filled senate at the time refused to fund it for fear of upsetting latinos.
Our president and spineless republicans have not funded it since.
Trump just needs to order it started.
Wayne said:
“….Trump’s lack of honesty bothers me as well. The more he accuses Cruz of lying, the more I am 100% convinced he’s just ‘projecting’ his internal flaws onto his opponent’s. (“me thinks he doth protest too much..”)…”
I agree Wayne, Trump is the schoolyard bully, always calling names, never taking responsibility for his words or actions.
pzatchok said:
“….Actually congress passed a bill to build a wall in 2006.
The president signed the bill.
The democrat led and rino filled senate at the time refused to fund it for fear of upsetting latinos.
Our president and spineless republicans have not funded it since….”
Correct pzatchok, we can pass all the laws we want, if they are not funded ( the usual trick by the left ) they aren’t worth the paper they are written on.
That is why Trump has done so well, once the R’s took over Congress they could finally fund every immigration law going back to 1986’s Kennedy/Reagan promise to enforce the border. Did they? NO!
The Left uses their power whenever possible to move the ratchet of our culture to the left. When the Right gets their chance they sit on their hands…..