“They don’t hate the NRA. They hate you.”
Link here. As a conservative who has worked first in the film business, then as a college teacher, and finally as a science journalist and space historian, all communities dominated almost exclusively by leftists, I can tell you that Schlichter is not exaggerating. The recent scapegoating of the NRA, which had nothing to do with the Parkland massacre, illustrates this. So have every single previous hate spasm from the left in the past few years
The Democratic Party now wishes to repeal three of the Bill of Right’s ten amendments. They have already nullified the ninth and tenth. Be prepared for great evil should they win future elections.
On Christmas Eve 1968 three Americans became the first humans to visit another world. What they did to celebrate was unexpected and profound, and will be remembered throughout all human history. Genesis: the Story of Apollo 8, Robert Zimmerman's classic history of humanity's first journey to another world, tells that story, and it is now available as both an ebook and an audiobook, both with a foreword by Valerie Anders and a new introduction by Robert Zimmerman.
The ebook is available everywhere for $5.99 (before discount) at amazon, or direct from my ebook publisher, ebookit. If you buy it from ebookit you don't support the big tech companies and the author gets a bigger cut much sooner.
The audiobook is also available at all these vendors, and is also free with a 30-day trial membership to Audible.
"Not simply about one mission, [Genesis] is also the history of America's quest for the moon... Zimmerman has done a masterful job of tying disparate events together into a solid account of one of America's greatest human triumphs."--San Antonio Express-News
Link here. As a conservative who has worked first in the film business, then as a college teacher, and finally as a science journalist and space historian, all communities dominated almost exclusively by leftists, I can tell you that Schlichter is not exaggerating. The recent scapegoating of the NRA, which had nothing to do with the Parkland massacre, illustrates this. So have every single previous hate spasm from the left in the past few years
The Democratic Party now wishes to repeal three of the Bill of Right’s ten amendments. They have already nullified the ninth and tenth. Be prepared for great evil should they win future elections.
On Christmas Eve 1968 three Americans became the first humans to visit another world. What they did to celebrate was unexpected and profound, and will be remembered throughout all human history. Genesis: the Story of Apollo 8, Robert Zimmerman's classic history of humanity's first journey to another world, tells that story, and it is now available as both an ebook and an audiobook, both with a foreword by Valerie Anders and a new introduction by Robert Zimmerman.
The ebook is available everywhere for $5.99 (before discount) at amazon, or direct from my ebook publisher, ebookit. If you buy it from ebookit you don't support the big tech companies and the author gets a bigger cut much sooner.
The audiobook is also available at all these vendors, and is also free with a 30-day trial membership to Audible.
"Not simply about one mission, [Genesis] is also the history of America's quest for the moon... Zimmerman has done a masterful job of tying disparate events together into a solid account of one of America's greatest human triumphs."--San Antonio Express-News
related….
Jordan Peterson –
>”They Don’t Love The Poor, They Just Hate The Rich”
excerpt from “Campus Indoctrination” September 2017
https://youtu.be/VvWJ1ihinK0
7:17
The Second Amendment issue is always a two subject conversation.
1. Tell me what you understand the Second Amendment to mean, what does it identify.
And
2. Given our correct or corrected understanding of what the Second Amendment actually identifies and means, what are the reasonable controls and parameters within that understanding is reasonable that government can implement?
Most can not properly answer the first question, so the answer to the second question becomes just a complex and confusing debate about minutia that only serves to further the Lefts agenda and purposes. This debate about no arrest records and the attempt at social engineering which are based in attempts to “correct” prejudices within “White” society which negatively effects the lives of those of color threatens our Constitution, common sense and society.
And that is a very effective tool of the Left that over time will erode America until it looks just like New Zealand or England. Then what? Where does the world go from there? To be lead by China or Russia? On balance, even though all government is corrupt from its core and establishment, and that includes America, it can be nothing else, who then leads the world?
Andrew W, choose one.
America as formulated does not exist without the Second Amendment.
Calling yourself a card carrying member of the Democratic party is no different or better than being a card carrying Nazi or a Klansman. That is a sad fact , since, now , more than ever , we need a legitimate two party system , at the least..
Cotour: “And that is a very effective tool of the Left that over time will erode America until it looks just like New Zealand or England. ”
On balance I prefer New Zealand, it scores higher on indices like Human Freedom, Economic Freedom, Democracy, Press Freedom, and Ease Of Doing Business, I like living in the freest country in the world.
But I guess each to his own.
Orien314: The democrat party is now a non American political party, they now stand for anti American causes and they will not be dialing back, as a matter of fact they will continue their drive even further Left.
Andrew W: The question and choice was either China or Russia, because after America is destroyed and neutered if this leftist push is not stopped out is where things will be going.
As a comment before you answer, the existence of America as formulated, guns and inherent dangers included is really the only reason that you can make the statement about New Zealand being “the freest country’ that you have. No America, no New Zealand. As a matter of fact, no America as formulated, no any country that considers themselves “free”. Your “free” because America ensures and insures your freedom, beginning in 1945.
Now choose.
One of the first steps in reconnecting to the Constitution and rejecting the Leftist mania?
Begin here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5446037/Immigration-chief-800-avoid-arrest-mayors-warning.html
Arrest her and prosecute her immediately.
Cotour, the game of alternative history, which is what you’re playing, is a silly game. History is all interconnected so no one can claim what history there would have been had there been no New World for Columbus to discover, or no US of A. It would all have been different, and almost certainly no Hitler, no Stalin, no Mao. Not to say there wouldn’t have been other baddies and goodies, there would have been.
Mine is a silly game, but your game is more likely?
” and almost certainly no Hitler, no Stalin, no Mao”
Yeah, that is the more likely scenario rather then the world as formed starting in 1945. Like history or not the nature of man is what it is and will not be changing any time soon. No America, no New Zealand, the “free est” country. Period. You would either be Communist or NAZI controlled.
Don’t be monkeying with the fundamentals of something that is still essential to modern life and true freedom. Your true freedom is an extension of the exercise of American power, don’t fool yourself. And these conversations about the details of degrees of crazy is a side conversation that needs to be dealt with in a common sense manner and not a politically correct manner. Political correctness will kill everyone.
New Zealand is one of the most inward looking , bureaucrat ridden countries on the planet where you are free to do as the government tells you.
Besides the weather sucks. Even my NZ born wife agrees.
In addition NZ now has a communist Prime Minister. This won’t end well.
Can you say Law Suit for denying a person of legal age their Constitutional rights?
https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/03/01/kroger-co-raises-minimum-age-to-purchase-firearms-to-21-at-its-fred-meyer-stores
I do not believe that a company without the backing of law can arbitrarily make such a decision. What are they going to base this decision on?
Cotour–
they can raise their age requirement all they want, they just can’t lawfully sell weapons below the lawful age in their jurisdiction.
–This is virtue signaling and PR. Best they get punished by the marketplace.
Mike
Good stuff.
Wayne, respectfully, I do not agree with you.
If someone has the legal right to purchase something whether it be a legal gun, ammunition, liquor, wine, a lottery ticket etc. a minimum age is set by law, there is no arbitrary upper limit that someone in a corporate office can select without a basis in law.
Who is anyone to tell someone else what they can legally purchase or not based on an age that they “Feel” is correct? No, no, no.
Cotour-
–the whole point is, no retailer in his right mind would do that. (purposely exclude part of their customer base) But it’s not “illegal” to do so per se.
You can not arbitrarily deny someone their right to purchase something that they are legally permitted to purchase. Be it based on skin color, age or creed. Can not legally do it. Especially something that is by the Constitution a right.
Think for a moment.
No one is denying their right to purchase, you just can’t purchase it at their store.
You’re free to go elsewhere, and the rest of us are free to shop elsewhere if we don’t agree with the policies.
The left is going after the 2nd amendment because it is the “low hanging fruit” of the Constitution. Once they have set the precedent of nullifying the 2nd it will be possible for them to go after the rest, especially the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th.
This is where we would be heading now had Hillary made it into the Oval Office. It is an existential battle between the individual vs the collective and I fear us individualists may yet lose—-
“No one is denying their right to purchase, you just can’t purchase it at their store.”
A sentence without meaning.
A young man goes to an auto dealership, a gun store, a liquor store or a lotto store, choose one, and he is 21 years old and has all of the required documentation, licenses, insurance, credit, cash, he has it all. Your saying that a person or corporation has the right to refuse them service or the item that they want to purchase just based on their subjective arbitrary judgment and choice based on their age? Really? What country do you live in?
One where free association is the rule of law.
“Free association” has nothing to do with the legal purchasing of anything in a business setting.
Its not free association when one person denies another of legal age their rightful ability to do as they please in what they purchase. That is called arbitrary discrimination based on a subjective judgment (Their age as the criteria), in other words, emotion and not law.
Cotour-
Commodude is correct.
(there is just no there, there.)
It’s an economically foolish decision yes, but private business is entitled to alienate their customers in the 18-20 age cohort, and lose them for life.
One has a right to pursue a purchase, but that does not imply the seller is obligated to sell. It’s a voluntary transaction by both parties, only subject to age-minimums and required paperwork.
pivoting– for mind numbing minutia, and Reason 1 why we don’t need more gun-laws:
Federal Firearms Regulations 2014
(273 pages)
http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-4.pdf
Cotour-
life is arbitrary and capricious, as are millions of voluntary transactions that occur every day.
“Civil Rights” only specifically apply to certain protected categories of people and specific economic transactions.
Commodude is correct again; free association in commerce.
As a customer, You can’t force a gun-seller, to sell you a gun, even if you meet all the requirements under law, it’s still a business transaction subject to mutual agreement.
Please provide me with some level of legal ruling or written law or other documentation to support your contention. Anyone.
This is not something based solely in economics as you think / say, it is based in denying a citizen of the United States who is of age their right to free commerce or the freedom to purchase what they are legally allowed to purchase in an open to the public business. Based in an opinion solely about age after their appropriate minimum age has been reasonably established?
Really, you think that is real in America in 2018? Or any time in our history? What would the purpose of an age minimum be then if in reality its always been up to someones arbitrary decision to sell or not sell based solely on age?
Rich Cregar wrote: “This is where we would be heading now had Hillary made it into the Oval Office. It is an existential battle between the individual vs the collective and I fear us individualists may yet lose—-”
Hillary didn’t make it into office, yet we are still heading there now. This is why Rich is fearful that we individualists may lose. The battle is in process despite Hillary’s loss. This is why Robert pointed out the previous demise of the Ninth and Tenth Amendments and the current attack on the First, Second, and Fifth Amendments. Rich also noted the attack on the Fourth and Fourteenth Amendments, probably from Trump’s desire to confiscate property first and go through due process later, (just for show?).
http://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/trump-take-the-guns-first-go-through-due-process-second
Trump’s recent statements should be reminders that he is a lifelong liberal Democrat, only pretending to be a conservative. He continues to have liberal Democrat instincts.
Mike Borgelt: “New Zealand is one of the most inward looking , bureaucrat ridden countries on the planet where you are free to do as the government tells you.
Besides the weather sucks. Even my NZ born wife agrees.
Well if Mike Borgelt’s wife agrees it must be true. /sarc
When comparing how NZ is doing compared to other countries, rather than consulting Mike Borgelt’s wife I go see what people who actually make such comparisons say:
The CATO institute says NZ(#3) is more free that Australia(#5) or the US(#17),
The Heritage Foundation says, NZers(#3) have more economic freedom than Australian’s(#5) or American’s(#18),
Transparency International says NZ(#1) is less corrupt that Australia(#13) or America(#16),
Reporters without Borders say NZ(#13) has greater press freedom than Australia(#19) or America(#43),
The World Bank Group says there’s greater ease of doing business in NZ(#1) than America(#6) or Australia(#14)
But what would those organizations know compared to Mike Borgelt and his wife?
I’m still waiting for Transcendental Trump to arrive Cotour.
He threatens to take my guns and other Rights on one day and then destroys my job the very next.
I work for an industrial valve manufacturer. We make stuff out of, you guessed it, steel. Not rinky-dink plumbing fixtures. We do high end, extreme service, valves. If you’ve worked on a Nuke Sub or Aircraft carrier, you’ve been near our products. The Hadron Collider uses our stuff. Petro-chemical too. But I digress…
Since the oil price crash we’ve been hanging on by our fingernails trying to stay in business. Waiting for market conditions to improve. No profits for the last two years! Orders have just started to pick up and they’ve even re-instated some limited overtime.
And now our material costs are going to go up by a minimum of 25%! Yeah, like we can just wait 10 years for all those US steel plants to get back on line. Right, like that’s going to happen.
Our overseas and even Canadian competitors are going to CRUSH us with their price advantage!!!
And you call this winning? Thanks man, I’m looking forward to when things get really great again.
To add to the other discussions about “forcing” retailers to sell you something.
Cotour, were you in favor of, or against, letting bakers refuse to sell cakes to certain peoples?
Can’t really believe I’m going to say this! Do you really want to have your cake and eat it too?
BSJ:
I never said it would be pretty, as a matter of fact I have asked for it to be very messy and disruptive if you recall. That is the only real way that we can tell that what needs to happen is indeed happening. IMO I believe that Trump is once again creating leverage and an economic sledge hammer in order to in the long run change the “New World Order” status quo in the world which has been fashioned over the last 30 years by American leaders. Thank / blame G.H.W. Bush and all following presidents for the things that Trump has got to be undertaking today. The short term may be bumpy for some, maybe all, but it will pass.
On the subject of “The cake”, my initial position was that from the STATES point of view, an open to the public business as a general rule although owned by individuals is an entity that is structured within the state (Consumer laws, corporations, LLC’s, tax collection, etc) respect for individuals in the open to the general public business could not arbitrarily deny someone service or a product based on their personal whim or subjective judgment / likes / dislikes.
There must be some reasonable cause for someone to be refused. Like, the person was drunk, the person was not clean and smelled and was not wearing pants etc. Or, I only provide my services to women and a man demanded that I give him a “Brazillian” (Yikes!). In other words the customer would have to be unreasonable or disruptive or threatening to reasonably be refused. This is how business in general is conducted in America when we are discussing people walking into a retail entity and desire to purchase what they please.
I can however see the argument where someone who is in business and open to the general public and sells to the general public their daily production / products, in that case a bakery, to whom ever comes in the door but reserves the right to refuse to participate in religious or subject matter that they are opposed to. Their “custom” artistic production is a function of their First Amendment right to expression. Someone can not come in and demand a baker produce a NAZI themed cake, or an ISIS themed cake, or a human genitals themed cake. That is not reasonable because it violates the proprietors First Amendment rights.
Wayne: If you are talking about law related to retail walk in business, both State and Federal and even Local, this statement below is generally an inaccurate statement:
“Commodude is correct again; free association in commerce.
As a customer, You can’t force a gun-seller, to sell you a gun, even if you meet all the requirements under law, it’s still a business transaction subject to mutual agreement.”
As individuals trading between themselves you can pretty much do as you please and trade with whom ever you like, but as far as Federal, State or Local laws concerning actual structured entities called businesses, Corporations, LLC’s, DBA’s etc. there are certain reasonable laws that are required to be adhered to.
You can not arbitrarily refuse an 18 or 19 year old who reasonably meets the criteria to buy a firearm that they qualify to purchase their purchase. If you do you can be sued for denying them their rights, company’s that do so are open to the consequences of problems of their own creation. And I would expect some form of legal suit to be brought in the near future related to the issue for whom ever does such.
BSJ:
To my point about blame and who’s job it is to attempt to resolve what has so long been invested in.
http://www.wnd.com/2018/03/fatal-delusions-of-western-man/
We created these “Monsters”, and we in many ways created the modern economy and specifically modern China that now breaths down our necks and threatens an agenda of world domination. Pay attention Andrew W, the Chinese are coming.
L.L. Bean will no longer sell firearms to anyone under 21 years old.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ll-bean-gun-purchases-21_us_5a9912a2e4b0479c02513486
I say they should remove what ever items that they have an issue with selling to anyone under 21 years old or prepare for litigation at some point in the near future.
Marx said crazy stuff like that too. Maybe that’s a hint for ya.
Protectionist Command economies never work. Never! What makes you think Il Duce has figured out a better way?
BSJ:
Do you believe in what is contained in the Constitution? Do you believe in the rule of law?
Do you believe that someone should be able to arbitrarily deny an adult their right to a firearm because THEY do not like someones age? Do you believe that you or they are defending the Constitution by doing so? Who the HELL is anyone to arbitrarily deny someone else who is of age their Constitutional rights under the law? If they want the age of majority related to the purchase of a firearm to be 21 then let the law be specifically changed.
Remember, we are talking very narrowly about age as being the prime issue of whether someone is ALLOWED to exert their rights under the Constitution.
No Il Duce, No Marx, as a matter of fact you have it exactly backwards.
Cotour, what you’re missing here is simple:
A store refusing to sell an item to an individual (think about “No shoes, no shirt, no service” signs) which does so across the board and not due to one of the special cases enshrined in law, is doing nothing to infringe on anyone’s rights.
Where you and many others miss the boat is that the Constitution puts limits on the rights of GOVERNMENT to protect the rights of individuals. The government is doing nothing to infringe on anyone’s rights if jimmyjohns sporting goods refuses to sell them something, hence, no one’s rights are being infringed on unless the sporting goods store holds absolute monopoly on the sale of the item in question.
I can think of any number of transactions which are subject to restrictions placed on the sale by the seller, dogs, alcoholic beverages, the list is long, and in no case has anyone been sued unless their refusal to sell trips over the bounds of a protected class.
If you are an open to the general public retail operation, who is anyone to tell another who is well qualified, in this case related to age to not sell them what they wanted to buy because they did not “approve” of that age? There is no reasonable case to be made here for refusal.
The “No shoes, no shirt, no service is I would assume is related to universal, local health department regulations. Age is no issue.
This is the sign that you are promoting ” If we do not like your age we reserve the right to refuse a sale”.
I can join the military and die protecting the Constitution at the age of 18 for you but you reserve the right to not sell me something that I am well qualified related to age and law to buy? Really?
Does that sound reasonable to you? Does it really matter if I can just go to another open to the public store? What if that person needed that firearm to protect his new wife and baby from the real potential of bad actors and you were the only place he could buy what he desperately needed? How about if that was you or your son? Or your daughter?
There are laws which are a direct function of the Constitution, some are reasonable and set reasonable minimums for a reasonable reason related to an individuals rights. We may see this played out in the courts at some point in time and it will be interesting to see how it is represented.
I can refuse to sell to anyone for any reason as long as the reason doesn’t infringe on a protected class. (race, religion, sex, ad nauseum, the age in the case of protected classes refers to those over 50 and is intended to be protection for the elderly)
Your challenge to the reasonableness of this is truly an extension of the argument to and beyond the absurd.
I can join the military (and did) at 17 and not have the right to vote, purchase alcohol, or enter legally into many binding contracts, and when you join the military you self-limit your Constitutional rights as you are now subject to the UCMJ as opposed to civilian law.
Cotour, what do you think of car rental companies requiring that the renter be at least 25 years old? Or certain hotels requiring that guests be 25 or older? Or auto insurance companies charging higher rates for males under 25?
Unlike the case of liquor laws, I haven’t heard of any law that stipulates these conditions, yet car rental companies and hotels discriminate against youth all the time.
Do you think the youth should get together and file a class action lawsuit?
I will consider your position further.
Commodude/Garry-
Right on the money.
this deserves a repeat:
“I can refuse to sell to anyone for any reason as long as the reason doesn’t infringe on a protected class. (race, religion, sex, ad nauseum, the age in the case of protected classes refers to those over 50 and is intended to be protection for the elderly)”
Cotour– think about it just a little deeper, and the light will turn on.
Dealing in retail and licences and age requirements every day for the past 27 years I would no more deny anyone what they can legally purchase, other than for the obvious reasons, than I would shoot myself in the head. But maybe thats just me?
We are talking specifically about the sale of firearms to a person that legally has the right to purchase one, in this case in a public retail setting because they have attained the age of 18 or more. And this is an individuals right under the Second Amendment to the Constitution and any local or federal law that might govern it. If and when this law suit comes about IMO it will not be based in retail law but in civil rights law.
“Civil Rights protect individuals from unwarranted government action, without discrimination or repression. If that right is interfered with by another person or agency (including the government), it gives rise to an action for injury. Civil rights include freedom of speech, press, and assembly; the right to vote; freedom from involuntary servitude; and the right to equality in public places. Human rights are international norms that help to protect everyone from severe political, legal, and social abuses. Examples of human rights are the right to freedom of religion, the right to a fair trial when charged with a crime, the right not to be tortured, and the right to engage in political activity.”
I will continue to research and “Think deeper” and consider this issue keeping in mind the key few words in the above paragraph, “the right to equality in public places”. Q: Who here thinks “Public places” means open to the public places including businesses that serve and sell to the public or people in public parks or on the street?
There is no violation of civil rights, there are other places to purchase firearms, and under a blanket policy there’s no violation of a protected class.
Cotour-
-One thing we agree upon, “if your money is green, I’m selling to you, no matter what your race, creed, sex, or national origin is, as long as you meet mandated requirements.” That’s just good business.
(I’m not being condescending, but I’m positive this will click with you if you ponder it further.)
This is why I initially it’s best to leave “punishing” Dicks Mega-lo-mart for excluding certain firearm customers by age, to the Market, and not the Government. The locally owned gun-shop down the road, will still be happy to sell firearms to persons who legally qualify. (and you’ll get better service and a lower total-cost-of-ownership, even if you have to pay slightly more than at a mass-market retailer.)
BJS nailed it with his 7:23am comment, as well, on Bakers.
(Despite what SCOTUS proclaims, forcing someone to work for you against their will, is Slavery, and we had a whole War to settle that issue.)
If we extend your logic, we do end up forcing the Baker to bake. That’s why that ruling was so insidious.
“Civil Rights,” should not to be confused with Constitutional Rights. (Although this is partially a semantic problem with the ordinary vs. specific legal definition)
-There were good reason to oppose the various “civil rights acts” of the 1960’s on grounds of Federalism and the right to free-association, but that would be a discussion for a different thread. Barry Goldwater did not vote for (most/all?) 1960’s era civil rights Acts, if I recall correctly, on just these grounds. )
I can’t affirmatively discriminate against specific protected classes, in the course of conducting specific transactions with those persons.
(Housing, transportation, accommodation’s, (hotels/motels) and education, being the biggies we all associate with “civil rights” legislation of the 1960’s.)
–If I wanted to discriminate against my customers (as a stupid capitalist,) I’ll find a more nuanced way to do it that doesn’t involve getting entangled with protected classes & transactions. But my competitors will eat my lunch for me and service those customers.
Actually were firearms are concered A dealer has every right to deny you a sale for ANY reason. ANY reason other than race, sex or cread.
If I walk in and say I want to buy a gift for my brother he is actually not allowed to sell to be because my brother is the one who needs the background check. I can pay but my brother needs to be there.
If I say I am buying it as a gift for my underage son the same thing applies.
If he even smells dope smoke on me thats eneough to satisfy the law.
All he has to say is that he had a funny fealing about someone and he is allowed to refuse the sale.
Pzatchok,
The first scenario is a straw purchase, which are specifically prohibited by law.
The second isn’t actually illegal, you’re buying it for yourself with the intention of transferring it to your son when he reaches majority, which is perfectly legal.
I appreciate all of these thoughtful scenarios listed by all and I agree if in the process of selling a firearm to someone and if there is cause, from the vial smell of dope, to strange behavior either drunken, drugged or psychological, to non qualifying or altered identification, to while in conversation the subject reveals that he or she is a straw purchaser, I get all of that and agree wholeheartedly with it 100%, especially when it relates to firearms.
My point once again, beating this damn horse, is that for a business that operates as a public entity open to the public and selling their products to that public to just tell someone who is 18 and has the lawful right to make a purchase, in this scenario a firearm, to tell them that they are being refused solely because the store has set an arbitrary minimum age of 21, or 25, or 35 for that purchase, that is a potential legal problem for the store.
Now I have pointed out in much earlier conversations, to the moral consternation of many ( I think “Molten Carpet” specifically) that the person on the other side of the counter with the responsibility of vetting the sale can have certain amorphous concerns about various conditions or documentation that can be leveraged into a refusal. I have done it myself many, many times when I thought it necessary. But the setting as store policy over and above the law related to the sale purely based on an age that the store, the corporation, the company does “not like”, that is in my humble and sometimes not so humble opinion has the potential to become a legal litigation situation. What would limit the store from setting an age minimum of 25? Or 35 for that matter? We might all agree that those would be “better” ages for such transactions and rights to exist. If you do, then pass a law.
And I will look further / deeper into the legal implications of the issue of age discrimination and it usually being focused on 50 and over individuals, but legal is legal. The test will be if the company’s in question do what they say they are going to do and someone has a problem with it and has the wherewithal and determination to pursue it. If I am correct then it will appear in the media in time, if not then this was just an interesting discussion about life in America today and me being dogmatic.
pzatchok/Commodude;
“bull’s-eye.”
Steven Crowder wants to buy an automatic weapon
January 2016
https://youtu.be/UEihkjKNhN8
10:37
Corporate Americas move.
http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/business-a-lobbying/376517-corporate-america-throws-weight-behind-gun-controls
And we wait to see if someone will challenge their move.
Corporate America is hedging their bets.
If jimmyjohns sporting goods sells a rifle used on one of these attacks, then they’re subject to massive litigation. Regardless of the success of the defense, they are out massive legal bills for a product which, in the case of wal mart or Dicks, is an infinitesimally small part of their cash flow. It might be called virtue signalling, but the harsh reality is that it’s risk avoidance. Better to lose the cash flow from the product line than be subject to litigation in the future.
Does anyone here agree with the sentiments in this NY Post article?
https://nypost.com/2018/03/02/its-time-to-stand-up-to-the-nras-bullying/
“Is that the country we want to be? A land in which our children cannot learn math or reading without the presence of heavily armed guards? Do we desire to be the first country in the world in which K-through-12 schools become fortresses?”
Does it really matter what anyone wants as opposed to what the reality of our current situation is in reality in America? We have for some reason created soft targets for nuts with guns, some would say as a function of S.O.M. and the long term erosion that the effects of keeping those targets soft and constantly pressuring the gun lobby to surrender, as disturbing as that may seem to some. That in the end will be the effect. We all understand how diabolical the Left can be and I am certain that their “Never miss an opportunity in a disaster” mentality to manipulate.
Harden what needs hardening based on common sense and not what may be desired in some alternate reality that some people wish we all lived in. Someday we can all create an alternate universe that we can inhabit, we can down load our entire soul into it and live our imagined reality to the hilt. But for the present time lets all calm down and live where we find ourselves, in America, warts and all.
Want to stop being robbed? Just take the sign out of your window that says “We are humble pacifists, need money? Come in and take all you like, we will not resist”. That is the analogy of the sign that exists on the front of every school that promotes the “Gun free zone” mantra, because it “feels” good. Low standards is no standards, as a matter of fact its down right stupid and it may be by choice related to a larger agenda or the effects of the stupidity just happen to serve a larger agenda.
Which ever it is, stop it, your embarrassing yourself and you are pissing me off.
Cotour, on Cavoto’s show this morning on FNC, one of the guests made a strong argument in favor of your position that store’s shouldn’t able to deny purchase of semi-auto long weapons until age 21, when federal law says 18. The guest (can’t remember her name though I’ve seen her a hundred times on FNC) says that states should challenge the policy using age discrimination.
Long story short, your position makes sense I think. Seems to me that if an individual at age 18 can vote, and more relevant, can use a gun on the field of battle in defense of the nation, they should darn well be able to buy a firearm to protect their home, hunt, etc at age 18.
I totally agree with the limiting liability strategy. Then why sell them at all instead of micro managing who and when a high liability product is sold?
David, you are a measured and reasonable person, thank you for your input.
Think my proposal that the Left encourages or benefits in so manner from the gun violence that we see?
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/mar/1/kill-climate-deniers-play-launches-theatrical-run/
Be disturbed, that is exactly how they think and act.
S.O.M all day long for the Left to further the agenda at any cost.
And it begins:
http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/02/dicks-sporting-goods-employee-quits/
And once again, right here at BTB WE are very, very prescient.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/20-year-old-sues-dick-walmart-raising-gun-sales-age-article-1.3858290
I suppose though you really do not have to be a Nostradomus to figure this all out. But you do have to have the ability to put forth your thinking in an understandable and reasonable format and structure and make the call. I thought it would take a bit longer.