Hate from the left


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The last few days have been a horror show of hate. While most decent people were appalled by the murderous attack in Las Vegas and horrified by the evil of the man who did it, it appears the thing that offended the left most of all was not the murderer, but the guns he used and the nerve of conservatives and Republicans to defend the 2nd amendment of the Constitution in defying their non-stop efforts to repeal it. That outrage against conservatives often bordered on insane and outright hate, completely divorced from facts or reality.

This list of stories is only a small sampling. The hateful attacks the past few days on conservatives and anyone connected with Trump and the Republican Party by Democrats and leftists have been non-stop and repeatedly vicious.

The last story above however reveals clearly where these attacks are going. The left, and the Democratic Party that supports the left’s ideology, wants to end freedom and obtain unrivaled and unopposed power. Anything that stands in their way must be destroyed, including the Bill of Rights. Moore’s proposal to repeal the 2nd amendment is not the only proposal put forth by Democrats in recent years trying to repeal parts of the Bill of Rights. For example, in June Democratic Congressmen held a sit-in in the House, protesting the due process clause in the 5th amendment. Then, in 2014 the Democrats proposed repealing the 1st amendment. We already know that the left has worked tirelessly for the past century to make the 9th and 10th amendments moot so the federal government will rule over areas of law that were reserved to the states, or the people.

That’s 5 of the Bill of Right’s 10 amendments that leftists and the Democratic Party oppose. If I was dig a bit deeper I am sure I can find examples where they have worked to repeal the other five as well.

I want make it clear where this Democratic Party and its supporters in academia and Hollywood now stands. They hate all opposition, and want to repeal the constitutional protections created to protect ordinary people from tyranny. If you stand for freedom, you cannot stand with them.

And if you don’t believe me, watch this video and the hate coming from this woman against someone who was merely wearing a “Make America Great Again” hat. She steals it, then says his free speech and property rights should be suspended, merely because she hates him. Others might say it is because she disagrees with him, but what I see is unbridled hate, pure and vicious.

We need to recognize this hate for what it is. It is what caused so many liberals in the past two days to attack conservatives, not the murderer who killed dozens in Las Vegas. And it is this kind of hate that always leads to oppression, mass murder, and tyranny.

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  • Cotour

    What is a big fail at being understood by many, the Second Amendment is essential to the existence of the Constitution by specific design. No Second Amendment, no Constitution, no America.

    This “Crazy” element included by the Founders is exactly what separates America from all other country’s. Is it a double edged sword? You certainly can argue that if you desire, but on the other hand the surety that the government will continue to erode the individuals freedoms to the point of slavery or worse as we can plainly witness every day and is a certainty. And the individuals right to defend himself and his or her family and by extension his / her and their freedom in their home by having the right to possess a fire arm is also essential while he or she stores in readiness their by RIGHT firearms.

    Q: If the citizen has the RIGHT to be armed but the government tends to not want the individual to be armed, as is its nature because firearms are a direct threat to the government as per design, but the citizen is armed by mandate of the founding document of the country, then who is to possess the firearms when they are not needed? Who stores and possesses them in the interim? The government? Think about that for a moment, what happens to any country when only the government has the guns? Ask Mao, ask Stalin, ask Hitler, ask any of them the first activity they undertake when they assume power.

    The answer is that the citizen has a responsibility to properly store and handle the firearms in readiness with all of the potential danger that that entails, including the miss use of the firearm by a psycho.

    If I recall murder is already against the law, how many more laws can be passed to solve or even mitigate murder as a human activity by passing more law? The terrorist attack in Niece killed 86 people, using a truck. There are millions of trucks and cars on the roads of America, any one of them at any moment can be turned into a weapon of much destruction and murder. They have been and will continue to be used that way, what law will be passed to lessen or end this murderous potential?

    I think the things these kinds of attacks have in common are thus: 1. There is a human being at the controls of any machine that is used to purposefully kill, and 2. They are generally male in gender.

    The ultimate solution to permanently solve all this will eventually emerge and be identified probably by the Left minded. Physical castration, chemical castration or elimination of all of those of that gender who pose the most threat.

    Do not screw with the Constitution. Getting up in the morning is dangerous, disarming the citizenry of America would only ultimately make that activity more so.

  • Cotour

    And it just so happens that I find this while reading the morning news.

    https://www.mediaite.com/columnists/michael-moore-calls-for-repeal-of-second-amendment/

    “• As over 90% of gun violence is committed by men, in order for a man to purchase a gun, he must first get a waiver from his current wife, plus his most recent ex-wife, or any woman with whom he is currently in a relationship (if he’s gay, he must get the waiver from his male spouse/partner). This law has greatly reduced most spousal/domestic gun murders in Canada.”

  • Cotour: Did you not notice that I provided a link to Moore’s repeal proposal, in my post above?

  • Robin Fox

    Here in New Jersey, in order to get a Firearm ID card or Pistol Purchase Permit, you need 2 personal references (not relatives), a NJ State background check, a mental health background check, a domestic violence check and finally a national background check (NICS). In the specific town I live in, this process takes 2 months. In some of our neighboring towns, this process takes even longer! I personally know of a few people that never got any permits because they couldn’t get 2 character references. I would not recommend this set of procedures be duplicated everywhere else, but I would like to see having 2 personal references required in other states in order to purchase a firearm.

  • Cotour

    Do I really need to answer that question for you?

  • Cotour

    I suppose that the best counter measure to this genital / chromosomal orientation attack and Leftist logic might be for all American men to just state when asked there opinion on such matters to qualify it with first stating that they feel like a woman and that they are trans?

  • wodun

    It is what caused so many liberals in the past two days to attack conservatives, not the murderer who killed dozens in Las Vegas.

    They blame cast the responsibility away from the individual and onto innocent people so that the innocents can be punished. Scapegoating is nothing new but Democrats are really super good at doing it. Notice that whenever something bad happens from hurricanes to car accidents, they always find a way to scapegoat innocent parties.

  • Thomas Hazlewood

    They mock your dead, castigate you for your vote, declare that they’d prefer you dead or in jail, then clamor for gun control. I’m to depend upon THEIR goodwill if/when they control government?

  • Edward

    OK. It is more than 72 hours, per Robert’s previous post, and I have restrained myself but now have a few things to say:

    The Las Vegas massacre is yet another case in which the shooting continued until someone with a gun arrived on the scene. The shooting lasted for ten minutes, and the police arrived ten minutes after it started. The shooter had cameras in the hall to let him know if the police arrived before he finished. When they did, rather than execute his escape plan, he killed himself.

    When seconds counted, the police were ten minutes away. In the case of this gunman, it was tenths of seconds that counted.

    Robert wrote: “The last story above however reveals clearly where these attacks are going. The left, and the Democratic Party that supports the left’s ideology, wants to end freedom and obtain unrivaled and unopposed power.

    I listened to two idiots on the radio, overnight, and they made a couple of interesting points: those on the left call Trump a tyrant but want him to tyrannically take away everyone’s weapons, just as the NAZIs did in the 1930s. Repealing the Second Amendment would do just that. It is the leftist ideology that favors tyranny, but they don’t recognize it as such, they think it is safety.

    The two idiots asked the question: If you think that I should give up my right to defend my life in the name of protection from bad guys, shouldn’t you give up your right to protection from unreasonable or illegal search and seizure in order for the police to better protect you from the bad guys?

    As with the violence on US campuses, it is the ability of the violent attacker to do so much damage before he is stopped that encourages him to do his evil deeds. If he thought that he could only get one or two people before being stopped, then it would not get so much attention and he would find another way to vent his frustrations. But because he can do so much damage so that the attack becomes the topic of discussion for weeks and gets mentioned every other time that someone else does evil, then the attack becomes worth it to the student-fascist or the Boston bomber, World Trade Center “pilots,” Arroyo gunman, London knifer, or Nice truck-driver who attacks a crowd. Especially when he thinks that he has an escape plan or otherwise will get the results he wants.

    The reason for the escalating violence is not the choice of weapon, but it is the ability to get the desired results. When the Berkeley administration does nothing when Jean Kirkpatrick is shouted down in the Early 1980s, then they should not be surprised when three decades later things have escalated to the point where they have to spend more than half a million dollars in order for a conservative speaker to be safe on campus. Yet they are surprised.

    When those who could defend against an armed attacker are prohibited from carrying the arms necessary to stop or prevent a violent attack, those who banned those arms are fools to be shocked that the violence becomes more common. The contrast between Chicago, Illinois, and Plano, Texas, is an excellent example. In Chicago, the law abiding are virtually prohibited from possessing weapons, yet the bad guys are willing to break the laws and not only possess them but use them against the now-helpless population. The population thinks that safety lies in the removal of weapons, not the possession of them. When seconds count, the police are minutes away.

    In Plano, the bad guys are still willing to break the laws, but they are not willing to get shot by a self-defensive public. The safety lies in the possession of weapons, not the removal of them. When seconds count, protection is at hand.

    But don’t try using actual facts on the emotional left. They don’t think, they only feel, and right now they feel that weapons are dangerous in anyone’s hands, and LocalFluff is not helping with that feeling.

    One of LocalFluff’s errors, in another thread, is in not knowing how most jurisdictions in the US react to a member of the public shooting a bad guy. Our politicians are just as stupid as in Sweden, but they set up the laws not only to allow the law breakers to continue breaking the law but to prevent law abiders from protecting themselves.

    In the US rather than being a hero, most of the time the gun-toting savior is treated as the criminal. The police have a body on the ground and someone has to be responsible, and they don’t usually assume it is the body. Blaming the “victim” is usually treated badly — just note what happened to Hayley Geftman-Gold; she lost her position at CBS, even though they are just as anti-Trump, anti-gun, anti-Second Amendment as she.

    Besides, the police do not know whether the savior is a good enough shot to get a gunman at that range or if the savior was risking the lives of innocent hotel guests in other nearby rooms. How many US shooting ranges let you practice targets that are 32 stories in the air? LocalFluff, under these circumstances, may end up like Richard Jewel, the hero of the 1996 Olympics. And he didn’t even tote a gun.

    In the US, not only have we made it harder to protect ourselves, we have made it much harder to protect others. Self defense has a legal basis yet is always questioned, but defending others is far less legal and harder to defend.

    Robert wrote: “Others might say it is because she disagrees with him, but what I see is unbridled hate, pure and vicious.

    Of course it is hate. She, Macias, is hate filled and angry and even declares her hate for America at 5:15 in the video: “I f*****g hate this country. I hate it.” right to the point where she is willing to steal from someone who wants to make it great again. This is the kind of hatred that escalated from shutting down Kirkpatrick’s freedom of speech to violence against the speech that they hate. Everything that they disagree with they hate.

    Macias does not take much store in the law, either. At 6:36 in the video she says: “You’re f*****g promoting laws and legislation.” But all he wants is his illegally stolen hat back. Seven university administrators just stand around not enforcing his property rights.

    When Macias says, at 7:20, that the laws literally kill and murder the masses, she must mean the current gun control laws, because there are no other laws permitting or promoting murder or emboldening murderers.

    At 8:15 one administrator says that there are different opinions. Apparently one opinion is that theft is allowable on the UC Riverside campus, because that is the only issue that they have to deal with. For them, theft is allowable for those who are liberal. Such lawlessness and anarchy is what eventually led from shouting down Kirkpatrick to eventual violence against those who have differing opinions than the left has.

    Notice that once the administrators finally decide to have a calm, thoughtful discussion, Macias chooses to leave. Calm, thoughtful discussion is not what she wants; she wants an emotional response. She wants the administration to remove his freedoms and extend hers to allow for theft.

    The side that claims the high road of tolerance is tolerant to the point of theft, violence, and shooting Congressmen as they practice for a charity baseball game. That must be the constant killings that Macias complained about. The people on that side only tolerate what they agree with and hate everything and everyone else.

    In Robert’s second post about Macias, she has already become emboldened enough to publicly insult and threaten her victim: “You feel safe cuz you got the cops and politicians on your side. Youre not safe… just saying. We need to make racists scared.” She is now going beyond wanting the right to thieve, she wants the right to threaten her victim’s safety and make him scared. Perhaps tomorrow she will want the right to be violent against him, because he is not shutting up. She is all about the emotion, not the law, not the thoughtful discussion. We can see the rapid progression from small transgressions, such as theft, to larger ones, such as inducing fear and taking away physical safety.

    From Robert’s second post about Macias: “‘Free speech is under attack on campus,’ added [Macias’ victim, Matthew] Vitale, a leader within the school’s College Republicans. ‘As cliche as it sounds, the facts of our laws and our Constitution … don’t care about what you feel. For millennials everywhere who believe their feelings give them the right to step on the rights of others — you are sadly misguided. That is not the real world.’

    Notice that it took eight or so minutes for the police to arrive, assuming the administrators bothered to call them right away. It is a good thing that seconds did not count in this situation, because the incompetent administrators couldn’t even handle an angry, hateful Macias. All it required was for them to sternly tell her the law, not to tacitly side with her. In doing that, the administrators were passive aggressive against the victim, or maybe they just didn’t want Macias to feel bad for being a thief. Come to think of it, that is the same thing, isn’t it?

    I am glad that Vitale, the victim, had the tenacity to enforce his property rights in the face of an angry Macias and unresponsive administration, the kindness to not press charges over a misdemeanor, and the wisdom to press charges over a felony. I am glad that the campus police were on the victim’s side. These give me hope that we will eventually regain our liberty over the tyranny that is already here.

    Robert wrote: “And it is this kind of hate that always leads to oppression, mass murder, and tyranny.

    That the rest of us have tolerated the existing tyranny of the government directing us as to how to spend our own money shows that we are not (yet?) prepared to stop the tyranny that these people represent and, perhaps unwittingly, desire.

  • Cotour

    Related, a friend sent this to me, I liked it, I can find no problem with its logic:

    Today I placed my Smith & Wesson .357 magnum revolver on a table next
    to my front door..

    I left 6 cartridges beside it, then left it alone and went about my business.

    While I was gone, the mailman delivered my mail, the neighbor’s son
    across the street mowed the yard, a girl walked her dog down the
    street, and quite a few cars stopped at the “stop” sign near my house.

    After an hour, I checked on the gun. It was quietly sitting there,
    right where I had left it. It had not moved. It had not killed anyone,
    even with the numerous opportunities it had been presented to do that.
    In fact, it had not even loaded itself.

    Well you can imagine my surprise, with all the hype by the Left and
    the media about how dangerous guns are and how they kill people,
    either the media is wrong or I’m in possession of the laziest gun in
    the world.

    The United States is 3rd in Murders throughout the World. But if you
    take out just 5 ‘left-wing’ cities:Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC, St
    Louis and New Orleans — the United States is 4th from the bottom, in
    the ENTIRE World, for Murders..

    These 5 Cities are controlled by DEMOCRATS. They have The Toughest Gun
    Control Laws in the USA. Do you think maybe the Democrats just might
    have something to do with all the gun violence……or would it be absurd
    to draw any conclusions from this data?

    Now I’m off to check on my spoons. I hear they’re making people fat

  • Cotour

    “Just declassified” (?):

    Apparently this Vegas shooter was part of a team of three or four, one from Pakistan, one from Indonesia, one from Canada? Did not say what organization or cause.

    Much more to come about this guy apparently.

  • Commodude

    Cotour, there is zero credibility behind what you posted.

    (At this point, however, that shouldn’t surprise any of us.)

    I wish I could post the article John Ringo (science fiction author) wrote in regards to pharmaceuticals and homicidal tendencies. Long story short, we’re messing with neuro transmitters and neuroreceptors in the brain without having any clue what the long term side effects are. No, the PD have not looked everywhere and looked at all teh evidence. THey haven’t lifted a finger to find out what meds the perp was on. As Ringo points out, anti-anxiety meds can have many second order effects beyond reducing immediate anxiety.

  • wayne

    Commodude-
    You raise some interesting points ref: pharmaceuticals.
    All Benzodiazepines (Valium, Xanax, Librium, etc.) are highly effective in short-term use, but their efficacy degrades substantially within 3-4 months of daily use. The LV shooter was allegedly prescribed valium, which is not the prefferred benzo to use for common “anxiety.” Valium in particular, has a high euphoria-index, rapid devlopment of tollerance, and an equally rapid development of paradoxical effects at higher dosing. In addition, it has a long half-life and without escalating dosing, it can induce a condition called “chronic withdrawal syndrome.”
    And, all benzodiazepines produce a particularly nasty period of withdrawal unless titrated down excruciatingly slowly, and should never be mized with alcohol, antihistamines, or opiates of any kind.) ((never, ever, mix benzo’s with opiates–))

    Refrence the LV shooter– most all, but not every State, maintains a real-time database of all RX’s for controlled-substances. In Michigan, I can access that database through my work account, and get a listing of all controlled-substances prescribed and filled by anyone in the State. (I’m not allowed to surf randomly in this database, I have to have a documented reason for looking anyone up or they will pull my License immediately.)

  • Cotour

    Common: Did you notice the question mark after that sentence?

    ISIS continues to claim Paddock as an actor, that could just be a PR move, Paddock researched many similar entertainment venues as the one in which he acted, Paddock made many trips (20?) via cruises to Europe and the middle East, the information about these three new aspiring ISIS actors had similar plans to attack similar venues as Paddock, just coincidence (?) (another question mark Common).

    Was Paddock just an insane nut that chose to mirror exactly and manifest ISIS type terror agenda at venues like these three other verified ISIS inspired aspirant actors wanted? What sets him apart from them? 1. He is older and more disciplined, 2. He is totally self and well funded.

    What is the key to lone wolf cell like terror groups? Waiting in obscurity, acting alone, without any communications to track, executing a plan at a certain predetermined or opportune time and place. Paddock fulfills these criteria perfectly (Maybe too perfectly and that just makes him an insane nut? Another question mark Common.)

    While paddock may well be just a totally insane nut who was just pissed off at the “normal” world, he certainly has made his mark much in the same way as an ISIS actor would literally die to accomplish.

    Q: If Paddock planned to make a get away and he was so organized, precise and planned out, as the police suggest, why did he allow himself to remain in his spot so long as to become trapped and he had to then kill himself?

    Q: Why 23 guns? 23 guns goes too far over redundancy requirements to ensure reliable fire power. May point to an obsessive / crazy personality? (Another question mark Common)

    In a planned out military type operation you determine a set amount of time to execute it and then you are out. You drop everything and go. Another inconsistency caused by becoming lost in time during the event or a miscalculation?

    Looks like a duck, may be a crazyassed goose, but kind of looks like a duck, at the moment.

    And I would have to say that some order of drug use was a part of most all of these outrageous and murderous domestic attacks in America. Big pharma does not want any information like that to become common knowledge. When at the end of the Big Pharma prime time TV commercials on Sunday night during Americas Funniest Videos says, “May cause thoughts of a violent or suicidal behavior, see your doctor if this occurs”, is to be taken seriously.

    Just some thoughts on this subject, still many questions to be answered, some will probably never be answered.

  • Cotour

    This may the craziest point of information about Paddock.

    “NBC reported that Paddock’s 2015 tax return showed $5 million in income, most of it from gambling profits.”

    ? (Thats another very big question mark Common)

  • wayne

    Cotour–
    You need to stop believing NBC– everything they say is a lie. If they told me the sky was blue, I’d wonder what scam they were pulling.

  • Garry

    Cotour, it’s Commo [dude], not Common [dude]. I presume that Commo is short for communications, but I’m not sure.

  • Mitch S

    Wayne, I had much the same thought.
    The mainstream media is almost incapable of sorting facts from fiction even when they aren’t actively trying to bias a story.
    The sense I get is that outfits such as NBC and the NY Times spend money on a few stars, but behind the scenes cut staff to the bone. And the staff that they hire are kids just out of school, some barely literate, but who are willing work cheap and do what the bosses tell them.
    Though to be fair, Cotour emphasized he’s putting a question mark after the reports.

    Question marks a plenty about this story!

    Worth checking out this piece about the Russia reporting by Glen Greenwald. Yes, the lefty Greenwald from The Guardian and now The Intercept.
    A lefty, but he still has some journalistic standards.

    https://theintercept.com/2017/09/28/yet-another-major-russia-story-falls-apart-is-skepticism-permissible-yet/

  • Cotour

    Mitch, maybe everyone should start using more question marks? (Or at least notice them)

    And I thought Carl Reiner was dead, but he is not, he is now 95 years old and still going! Not too shabby for a raging Liberal.

  • wayne

    Mitch-
    Referencing “news,”– most of these cable/network news-readers are inherently ignorant on a wide range of topics, but I blame the writer’s and those who edit/approve what they read out loud.
    Referencing LV; I’m willing to wait until a proper investigation is concluded. One thing however, I am positive– if he was a Trump supporter, they wouldn’t shut up about it.

    Pivoting tangentially, although humorously…

    “We’ll do it live…”
    Stewie Griffin does Bill O’Reilly
    https://youtu.be/To3sgDbwVvw

  • wayne

    Remy: How to React to a National Tragedy
    June 17, 2017
    https://youtu.be/ZEsE6BNbTgk
    2:03

  • Edward

    Mitch S,
    Good essay. Glenn Greenwald acknowledges that fake news is not good for the country: “Regardless of your views on Russia, Trump and the rest, nobody can possibly regard this [fake news] climate as healthy. Just look at how many major, incredibly inflammatory stories, from major media outlets, have collapsed. Is it not clear that there is something very wrong with how we are discussing and reporting on relations between these two nuclear-armed powers?

    The fake news comes from the news media’s acceptance of “by all means necessary” to spread the hatred. Fake news is a tactic that supports the overall strategy of disinformation, and since most people remember the first thing that they hear on a topic, it becomes difficult to counteract the effects of the fake news. This makes fake news such an effective tactic.

    For instance, just this morning I was talking to a lady who is still convinced, two decades later, that Bill Clinton was impeached for having sex in the White House rather than the true reason: lying under oath.

    But then again, she is a liberal, so Clinton could have shot someone on Fifth Avenue and she would still support him. Trump could save that person’s life and she would still hate him.

  • pzatchok

    I have held off comments for many reason other than Mr.Z’s request.

    On Bump stocks.
    There are more than one form of this device. Some as simple as just your finger or even a piece of shoe string. The reason people buy this type of device above the others is it gives a bit more reliability and steadiness. But you can also download the companies letter from the ATF stating its legal so no overzealous local police officer confiscates your firearm.

    This man was obviously insane.
    Look up your local laws about being declared insane or incompetent and how it effects the gun laws.
    We need far more mental facilities and it should be easier to have people placed into them for simple evaluation.

    The police response to this was excellent. All the first responders did great.
    But I was more impressed with the civilians immediate actions during and after the shooting.
    From the security guard who might just have been the real reason the shooter stopped. The passing motorists and cab drivers who transported the wounded. And all the concert goers who stayed behind and helped the wounded even during the gunfire.

    And lets not forget the actual victims of this tragedy.
    They have my thoughts, sympathy, best wishes and prayers.

    As for all the anti gun hoplophobes out there. Its sad to hear all the misinformation they are actively spreading just to spread fear of firearms and their political opponents. All we can do is to hold our ground and to keep correcting them as best we can.

    By the way. Hoplophobia is just as valid a term as is Homophobia. The left just doesn’t like to have a phobia attached to their political or social views.

  • wayne

    pzatchok –
    Very good stuff.

    “Bump-stocks,” never heard of them myself, but an ingenious application of physics without violating the law. I can pull the trigger pretty fast, so not my thing.

    The LV shooter– to me, that was automatic fire. Has that been verified? What actual weapon(s) did he use?

    I would say however– be careful & judicious, of wishing it easier to force a mental health evaluation onto someone. Laws vary by State, but in-general, a balance has already been struck.
    Being crazy, is not against the law. Doing crazy stuff, is against the law. Random Acts of Craziness occur, and little can be done, that isn’t already done.

    Not to make light of any of this—

    “What’s he building in there?”
    Tom Wait’s
    https://youtu.be/JaLjwSpZ6Cs
    3:23

  • pzatchok

    If you listen close to the actual firing it changes speeds slightly. Especially at the beginning.

    This is due in part to him changing the pressure he is applying to the bump stock. Too much and it only fires once and too little and it fires slowly or at least slower.
    Plus the amount of pressure you need to use changes as the weight of the gun changes. Which it does as the ammo is used. Lighter gun means less pressure.

    In several of the videos you can hear it go from bang…bang…bang to bang.bang.bang.bangbangbang….bang..bang.

    A true full auto weapon cannot change rate in mid firing or cycle.

    Weapon performance also relies on a great many other factors.
    Ammo, maintenance, oil used and how much, magazines, break in, plus simple operator error and inexperience.

    With all his money and a clean back ground he could have just purchased a class 3 full auto weapon for about 35 thousand and made sure it was going to function on full auto. Might have taken a year to get the approval back from the ATF but he could have done it.
    https://www.davidspiwak.com/guns/

  • wayne

    pzatchok-
    Interesting, appreciate your input.

    It sounds like auto fire to me*, but I would defer to your judgement. (I’ve only ever seen one full auto demonstration in my life.)
    * given that I’m listening to cell-phone footage uploaded to youtube & downloaded to my $5 speakers.

    Do we know what weapons he actually fired?

  • pzatchok

    Supposedly AR-15’s in .223/5.56N and maybe AR-10’s in .308.

    But if they are going by wound diameter it could have also been Ak variants in 7.62×39. The virtually the same diameter .308.

    Supposedly there were also hunting rifles and a few pistols also. But nothing is confirmed.

    The NY Times is finally good for something.
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/02/us/vegas-guns.html

    The echoes might be contributing to some people thinking that it was full auto.

    As for those thinking that too many rounds were fired for this to be an AR15 they do make 100 round drum mags for them. Though reliability is not 100% guarantied.

  • Edward

    In my first comment, when I said that the police were minutes away when seconds count, I was not being critical of the police. They cannot be everywhere, guarding everyone personally. They can’t always be right there to personally stop the bad guys, and it is rare when they are. The bad guys generally don’t try anything when they think the police are seconds away. They are bad, not stupid.

    There are the rare times when the police are there to stop the violence before it begins, though. Pamela Geller put on an event in Texas, at which a couple of terrorists thought they would wreak havoc and kill a bunch of people, but the police happened to be on hand to stop them before they could get started on their killing spree.

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/04/us/garland-mohammed-drawing-contest-shooting/
    At this point, [U.S. Secretary of Homeland Security Jeh Johnson] said, one thing appears clear: A quick-thinking police officer ‘likely saved a number of innocent lives.’ … A traffic officer working after-hours as security for the event and armed only with a service pistol killed both men, who were wearing body armor and carrying assault rifles, Garland Police Department spokesman Joe Harn told reporters Monday. … An unarmed security officer working with the patrol officer was shot in the ankle, police said. None of the approximately 200 people attending the event was hurt.

    This is a case of the shootings ending just as they started, because someone with a gun was already at the scene, otherwise it would have been another case of the shootings continuing until someone with a gun arrived on the scene.

    In Paris, Charlie Hebdo was attacked because the police officer on the scene did not have a gun to stop the bad guys. Instead, she turned into their first victim. The same could have happened in Texas, had the armed police not been present, only the unarmed security officer.

    The point being, of course, that just as with Plano Texas, it is the armed good guys who discourage the bad guys from being bad. It is not guaranteed that they will not attack, but it helps, and their attack is shorter lived that without the armed good guys on the scene.

  • Cotour

    Wayne:

    As per Paddocks own testimony in court papers, he apparently has gambled up to $1million dollars per night, I do not think that there is much doubt that this guy was a bonafied “high” roller, although Steve Winn says that he was an average gambler. It would be interesting to see the profile of a real high roller in Winn’s opinion.

    And yes, take note, this is reported by CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/09/us/las-vegas-stephen-paddock-deposition/index.html

    An interesting thought and side bar regarding this guy Paddock, IMO he is going to drive a whole new generation of gamblers among the young people reading about his gambling exploits and the money that he generated playing video poker. Bet on it.

    Garry: Its Common to me.

  • Commodude

    Edward,

    In re. Fake News:

    It’s far from a new phenomena, it just goes more rapidly now with the availability of an unfiltered instantaneous medium. One shudders to think what Vladmir, et. al. would have done with the internet ass a distribution medium as opposed to devices such as the Maxim Gorky.

    From Yellow journalism to communist and fascist propaganda, to the modern versions such as CNN, it’s all the same. I’m not sure which is more insidious, the fake news people pay for (CNN. et. al) or the fake news driven by government propaganda. The US Government uses propaganda techniques in the form of PSAs, our government is far from pure in this . (It would be interesting to see the psychological effect of the constant PSAs for disaster preparedness, or the “PSAs” from the CDC which have been filling the airwaves lately for HPV vaccination.)

    Cotour, while I was perhaps out of bounds in being as direct as I was, you could at least have the civility to use the alias I’m using here without twisting it.

  • Cotour

    Common:

    I encourage you (Or anyone else) to be as direct as is allowed here on BTB when responding to or arguing with or criticizing my comments or points of view, argue or attempt to refute what ever I post, do your best. I do not spend my time here to be stroked or placated, bring it, I will take care of my end. That being said, we can take care of these things in a civilized manner.

    As to your alias………………………..? Does it really matter since its an alias, we all know who I am referencing.

  • wayne

    Commodude–
    agree in large measure.

    There is a degree of “validity” placed upon our modern electronic communications, that is wholly underserved.
    The News Industrial Complex has always been heavily partisan, and they didn’t suddenly go all “neutral-arbitrator” when they shifted to digital.

  • Cotour: Using the right alias is the correct and polite thing to do. It also helps facilitate communication and searches.

    Note that one regular commenter here started out by using a different alias each time he commented. I told him that he had to pick one, or I’d ban him. That decision has worked out very well for him, and others.

    If you are referencing someone else, please use courtesy and use their name or alias they have picked.

  • wayne

    Ha…that was me, (at least that one time.)

  • Edward

    Commodude wrote: “In re. Fake News: It’s far from a new phenomena, it just goes more rapidly now with the availability of an unfiltered instantaneous medium.

    It goes back at least to Marie Antoinette, who is credited as saying — but never said — “Let them eat cake.” That fake news helped to foster the French Revolution and has ruined her reputation to this day, because just like “hands up, don’t shoot,” that lie is still believed.

    Fake news probably goes back much, much farther. I wouldn’t be surprised if it even predates ancient Greece, the Bible, and Noah, whose news source was reliable, fortunately.

    This is the problem with those who believe in mottoes such as “by any means necessary” or “the ends justifies the means.” When the means is corrupted, as with the NAZIs in the 1930s, the movement is corrupted, as with the NAZIs.

    People who live by such mottoes tend to be the intolerant, hateful ones, but feel free to convince populations that those who are actually tolerant and accepting are the hateful ones, even to the point of hypocrisy, such as the (now deleted) twitter that Robert linked to in his post, above, that the murderous members of the NRA should face a firing squad. Is that tolerant? No, it is hate filled. That is why it was deleted.

    As long as people believe the lies, the lies will continue. Since they have been going on for centuries or millennia, then they are certain to continue to deceive people for millennia into the future.

    Eliminating the hatred will also be difficult, as it is a powerful ally to the intolerant. When they get people to hate the wrong group(s), the power-greedy intolerant ones often get their way. Just as is happening with the intolerant, evil Only Black Lives Matter (BLM) movement; the police forces in several cities are no longer being as proactive, and now there are more crimes and murders there, just as the criminal, anti-police BLM movement wants. Who is it that the hateful BLM people want to fry like bacon?

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