A celebration of hate and ignorance


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The last few days have not been good ones for American free speech and freedom. Not only have we seen violence perpetrated to silence the free expression of dissent, we have seen an effort after the fact to use that violence as a club for destroying any opposition to the liberal and leftist dogma that dominates the American political and academic community.

The following links will provide a nice overview of how our cultural elites, especially on the left, have responded to this weekend’s terrible events in Charlottesville, Virginia, where one person was killed and almost twenty injured when a car rammed into a crowd of competing racist demonstrators.

That is how our elites responded, not with conciliatory remarks aimed at bringing people together, but with anger and hate, hate of Trump, hate of the Republican Party, hate of the NRA, hate of whites, hate for anyone that dared disagree with their leftist agenda. Then, when Trump issued a statement condemning all violence in the name of bigotry, the response was equally hateful:

This quote from the NBC story is typical:

“President Trump condemned the violence there on Saturday but he did not specifically speak to the white nationalism that was on display,” complained Anchor Willie Geist as he was getting ready to hand the report off to Correspondent Kelly O’Donnell. “The President also did not respond to questions, including one about the political support he enjoys among some white supremacists,” she chided.

It wasn’t good enough that Trump condemned hate and bigotry. He had to express hate for a specific group. This is just like when the racist Black Lives Matter group first organized. It wasn’t good enough then to say “All lives matter.” Black lives mattered more, and you had to say that or else they went after you with pitchforks and torches, calling you racist and bigoted even though it was the BLM group who was racist and bigoted.

Hate. Hate. Hate!

Meanwhile, the violence against anyone who disagrees with the fascist left continues to escalate. The following list of stories only gives a hint at how bad it is getting. And it doesn’t matter if the people attacked were white supremacists or simply ordinary Trump voters who don’t hate anyone. The fact that they were attacked, violently, merely because of their opinions, is the problem.

The Washington Post story is especially hilarious, in that it actually does everything it can to make believe the general violence against everyone on the right was not happening.

In reality, antifa actions were relatively isolated, focused on disrupting white nationalist rallies — which, in turn, fed off the idea that the violent left needed to be stopped in the streets.

To the Post and its writer, anyone who dissents from leftwing orthodoxy must be a “white nationalist,” which of course now justifies the violence against them. Who can oppose stopping Nazis? Moreover, such violence has been “relatively isolated.” There is nothing to see here, nothing at all!

The truth however has been far different. The violence this weekend against a bigoted white nationalist demonstration was actually an exception that proves the rule. Attacks against ordinary Republicans and conservatives (the two are not the same) has grown steadily in the past two years, as shown by the list of attacks in the Daily Caller link above. During the campaign riots against Trump rallies, with attendees getting physically attacked, became the norm, with the authorities, generally in urban areas controlled by Democrats, doing little to stop it. Since then the violence has spread to almost any pro-Republican demonstration or gathering.

This past weekend’s events only reinforce this trend, The links below provide some actual information about what happened in Charlottesville, while providing some context for understanding the terrible events there.

What seems to have happened is that the local authorities manipulated things so that the two sides, one advocating pro-white bigotry and the other advocating anti-white bigotry, would be funneled together into a confined space. Then the police backed off and let them attack each other, which was no surprise since both groups were bigoted, consumed with hate for their opponents. The result: someone died for no reason.

The response from the left to these events, by both Democratic politicians and their allies in the leftwing press and as shown in the links above, demonstrate however how little they care about these actual facts. Instead, they used the tragedy as a tool to attack their political opponents, and on doing so they literally made a celebration not only of their hatred but of their ignorance about what actually happened in Charlottesville, since what they said had little real connection with reality.

By the way, does anyone remember the pro-Nazi demonstration planned for Skokie, Illinois in 1978, supported and defended successfully in the courts by the ACLU? Then, it was our responsibility to allow free speech to occur, no matter how offensive and vile. And it was the left that was defending such opinions. More important, when the demonstration did take place, not in Skokie, the Jewish neighborhood north of Chicago where many holocaust survivors lived, but in downtown Chicago, nothing happened. There was no violence, only disgust and contempt for these anti-Semites and white supremacists, expressed freely in newspapers and books and detailed media reports. As a result of this vigorous defense of freedom and equal rights, the neo-Nazis movement in Illinois ended up withering away.

Now such freedom of speech is just not acceptable. It must be stopped, and stopped as violently as possible. And in stopping any dissent, we end up celebrating our ignorance, since without a willingness to at least hear the other point of view, no matter how vile, and debate it vigorously, we make it impossible to defeat it. These bad and bigoted ideas will flourish in ignorance, made martyrs by being oppressed. Worse, the oppression will provide society no way to air more reasonable dissenting ideas. The bigotry will fester, unchallenged.

As the ACLU used to say, when it was not a partisan Democratic operation, the answer to bad speech is more speech. Unfortunately, it increasingly appears that America’s cultural elites are no longer so open-mindedness.

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  • wayne

    Yes, distinctly remember Skokie, Illinois. That was a very big deal at the time. And the discussion about who should be allowed to speak, and where, was considerably more in-depth, although no less emotionally charged, as I recall.
    [tangentially–In the 1980 “Blues Brothers” movie, they specifically ridiculed the Illinois-Nazi’s.]

  • Cotour

    Why were the police not directing the protest, why did they allow them to engage?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/police-in-charlottesville-criticized-for-slow-response-to-violent-demonstrations/2017/08/12/869720fc-7f84-11e7-a669-b400c5c7e1cc_story.html?utm_term=.5b975631de31

    In the charged atmosphere that we have today in the country and they understood who the organizations were and their natures well in advance, the powers that be did not call in the National Guard or have a reasonably sized police management plan in place? Might a person argue that they encouraged the clash by standing down or being unprepared?

    Who is really responsible here? The Mayor? The Governor? The Police Chief? Trump? Who’s city is it?

  • Xela

    This was a staged event, a constructed trap, in order to damage right-winger. Here are also several facts:

    State police, local major and authorities did a worse job. They are responsible for violence and death people. The right-wingers had the permission for that planned rally at the Lee monument, but it was denied illegally just before rally should begin by Charlottesville leftist authorities. Police was commanded to guide right-winger by purpose into places, where Antifa was located, in order to create violence to blame right-wingers. ANITA and other communist groups started violence, but always right-wingers are blamed by “Lügenpresse.”

    The American political leftist ruling elite is blind on its left eye by design. Bloody Communists as Antifa can do what they want without being sanctioned or hurt. Why did Trump also not address those Communists as terrorist, what they are?

  • Xela

    I forgot to add this link, which presents a neutral report of that what happened in Charlottesville:

    Charlottesville: Violence in the Streets | Faith Goldy and Stefan Molyneux

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UpF8H1Zjcw

  • Cotour

    Pure Strategy, No Morality:

    “What seems to have happened is that the local authorities manipulated things so that the two sides, one advocating pro-white bigotry and the other advocating anti-white bigotry, would be funneled together into a confined space. Then the police backed off and let them attack each other, which was no surprise since both groups were bigoted, consumed with hate for their opponents. The result: someone died for no reason.”

    What you yourself have described here is a conspiracy, a conspiracy designed with a politically useful result to be left at the other end after it is executed. And the potential for mayhem and injury and death was well understood could happen.

    You are able to draw lines where you can believe the level of depravity that a human being with a justified political agenda is willing to go. Its just a matter of where someone has the stones to draw the line. Something to think about for sure.

  • wayne

    Referencing the ignorance part of this equation.

    Why are we busily taking down statues and other reminders of our past?
    Who decides that? And how far do they intend to go?

    Good, bad, or ugly, it’s our history.

    As far as I’m concerned, destroying objects about our Civil War, is the same thing as burning books. And when they start burning books, barbed-wire and death-camps aren’t far behind.

  • wayne

    I’ve seen this movie before, and now the Media is an active willing participant.

    “Weather Underground Announces Fall Offensive”
    CBS news 10-6-1970
    https://youtu.be/TfdJ3FiSva4

    “Bernardine Dohrn announces a “fall offensive of youth resistance.” Two days later three cities were bombed on the west coast.”

  • D. Messier

    “What seems to have happened is that the local authorities manipulated things so that the two sides, one advocating pro-white bigotry and the other advocating anti-white bigotry, would be funneled together into a confined space. Then the police backed off and let them attack each other, which was no surprise since both groups were bigoted, consumed with hate for their opponents. The result: someone died for no reason.”

    No. I can’t imagine in a million years that Charlottesville officials did anything of the kind. You can argue that they mishandled the matter, but to deliberately do this makes no sense, Bob. Matters probably spiraled out of hand.

    I have heard that local police felt outgunned by white supremacist militia members in body armor carrying automatic weapons. You can see some photos of them here. That might make anyone back off out of fear of creating a worse situation.

    http://metro.co.uk/2017/08/13/white-supremacist-militia-seen-patrolling-charlottesville-rally-with-assault-rifles-6849661/

    In any event, the most serious violence occurred when the car plowed into the protesters who appeared to be marching peacefully through the streets at that time. So, did local authorities set that up? How?

  • D. Messier wrote, “I can’t imagine in a million years that Charlottesville officials did anything of the kind [referring to evidence that suggests they allowed the violence to occur]. You can argue that they mishandled the matter, but to deliberately do this makes no sense, Bob. Matters probably spiraled out of hand.”

    You can’t imagine this in a million years because I suspect it will be a million years before you have the courage to actually click on the five links I provided, documenting this behavior by the police. Note too that two of my sources are the New York Times and the Huffington Post. Gee, those partisan rightwing sites sure get around.

    Then of course there this story today: “ACLU of Virginia criticizes law enforcement in Charlottesville as ‘not effective’” From the head of that ACLU chapter (another one of those evil alt-right organizations I guess) :

    I was there and brought concerns directly to the secretary of public safety and the head of the Virginia State Police about the way that the barricades in the park limiting access by the arriving demonstrators and the lack of any physical separation of the protesters and counter-protesters on the street were contributing to the potential of violence. They did not respond. In fact, law enforcement was standing passively by, seeming to be waiting for violence to take place, so that they would have grounds to declare an emergency, declare an ‘unlawful assembly’ and clear the area.

    The evidence is pretty clear that that the police allowed, almost set things up, so that violence would occur. That they literally did nothing to keep the two sides apart, from the beginning, is strong evidence of this, since keeping hostile protesters separated has been standard riot control practice for literally decades. For the police to not do this, knowing that both sides were coming prepared to commit violence, is more than simply “mishandling the situation.”

    And yes, I agree with you, the authorities did not plan or participate directly in the car attack. However, they sure set things up so that something like this was almost guaranteed to happen.

    Note also that I have documented cause to suspect the authorities here. For example, this is what the authorities in San Jose apparently did during a Trump rally in June 2016. And if you are at all interested at the violent and fascism behavior of the left, you might want to watch a few of the videos of that event.

    The hate and violence here isn’t coming just from white supremacists. It is coming from the left as well. The problem is that the left is willing to ignore or make excuses for the bad behavior of their surrogates. As it appears you are willing to do, as well.

  • LocalFluff

    Who is messier than Douglas? He believes in ALL leftist lies, without any kind of critical or logical thinking at all. He believes in Marxism, in the climate deluge, in islam being the religion of peace, that Trump is a Russian agent, that SLS will bring humans to Mars. He bought the whole package. And when one’s credibility by all records is on the fat big minus side, so goes one’s respect. Messy regurgitating whatever commie lies he read in fake media, is just sad for him.

  • wayne

    ” …white supremacist militia members in body armor carrying automatic weapons.”

    -Automatic weapons are illegal everywhere, and have been so since the 1930’s. None of those people in those pictures possessed automatic weapons. Those are all one-trigger-pull = one-shot. “Automatic-weapons” are by definition machine-guns, and are illegal to poses or carry without an almost impossible to obtain, Class III license.
    -I would expect the British don’t know what a gun looks like, it’s amazing an American who covers Space-stuff, doesn’t at least have a basic understanding of gun technology.
    -Anyone with an automatic weapon could and should have been arrested immediately. Police officers are trained to identify weapons, they know the difference.
    (My AR is brushed-silver colored, but it looks just-as-scary, (but with no scope) and it shoots .223 rounds, which btw, remain in short-supply due to the massive purchases of that ammunition by the Feds during the Obama administration. Why the EPA needed 25 million rounds just for itself, was never explained.)
    -One is allowed to openly carry a long gun -depending on where you are- brandishing your weapon in a threatening manner, i.e. pointing it at someone, IS a crime.

    There are well known Police procedures for locking down a riot area, which include temporarily & immediately banning the sale of any number of items, (ammunition, gasoline, alcohol, etc.) curfews, mass-arrest teams, restricted access area’s, etc.
    None of which ever appear to be in effect at these RIOTS, of which there have been many, and for which “white supremacists” are rarely present, but the left always is present and actively violent.

  • Wayne: Good catch. I missed his reference to “automatic weapons” which of course is not only wrong, but indicates a significant ignorance of gun law and guns in general.

  • D. Messier

    So I read that story you linked to. Here’s the interesting part of it:

    “Also, it’s worth pointing out that while more police involvement might have stopped some of the scuffles, there’s no telling if it would have stopped James Alex Fields from using his car as a weapon against counter-protesters. And to be fair, moving the protest out of the center of town might not have prevented it either.”

    So, yes the police mishandled the situation. I don’t think it was as conspiratorial as you and the ACLU official believe. The point is that the scuffles and fights didn’t lead to the death and injuries from the ramming of protesters by the driver.

    Don’t lecture people on courage until you show a similar openness on climate change. I could give you 1,001 links to research and results and studies and analyses showing its real and you will still deny it.

    LocalFluff sounds like he has marshmallow for brains. My comments caused his brains to melt down. Sorry about that, Marshmallow Head.

    Wayne, I leave it to your superior knowledge of weapons. But, these guys with the weapons and body protection were clearly there to intimidate. They appear to have succeeded to the point where police were reluctant to intervene more than they did. And that, in turn, helped cause some of the violence you guys are decrying here. It takes a second to go from carrying a weapon to pointing it. Just because you have a right to carry it doesn’t mean you should in certain situations. Such as a march like this one.

  • D. Messier wrote, “So I read that story you linked to.”

    I initially linked to five stories, then added one more for good measure in my comment. I don’t have time to reread them all to find the particular cherry-picked quote you found that indicates something we both agree to, that the police had nothing directly to do with car attack.

    My first point remains, that the authorities here acted so badly that it is reasonable to think that they wanted bad things to happen, for political purposes. My second point is once again proven by your second comment, that you are quite willing to make excuses for the violence of the left, and for the hand-in-glove teamwork between its most radical and extremist members and the politicians who use them for the obtaining of power.

    We will not get good will and a return to civility as long as the liberal community (of which you are a part) continues to do this. Instead, things will continue to worsen.

  • wayne

    Doug-
    I’m not really a gun-guy, but I do own them. The AR I bought, simply because I have the right to buy one. And, I got sick of obama lecturing me.
    I’m not a cop, but the Police are rarely ever “intimidated” into simple non-action. If one or more have to strategically immediately withdrawal, they’re coming back in force. >Unless they have orders to the contrary. They do what they are told to do.

    “Gun Show Loophole” Exposed
    Louder with Crowder
    https://youtu.be/UEihkjKNhN8
    (10:37)

    Steven tries to buy an “automatic assault rifle.”

  • Des

    >>Robert Zimmerman
    >>August 14, 2017 at 10:16 pm
    >>Wayne: Good catch. I missed his reference to “automatic weapons” which of course is not only >>wrong, but indicates a significant ignorance of gun law and guns in general.

    They look identical to automatic weapons and are designed to intimidate. If you happened to be downtown and a black lives matter march passed you with participants dressed in combat fatigues and carrying these guns would you feel more or less safe due to their presence?

    Your favourite pejorative for all things left wing is fascist and often it is justified. However you can only bring yourself to call the white nationalists bigots. They include neo nazis, who are certainly fascist in belief and action.

    The alt right/white nationalists have a right to peacefully state their odious views, something the ACLU were right to defend in the past and should still do so. Counter protestors also have a right to protest, but again they should only protest peacefully.

  • Xela

    I think it is a case of justice and democratic approach to hear what an alt-right leader has to say to Charlottesville event by listening to following press conference. Why do we see not this press conference in main stream media, which prefer instead to lie and manipulate to justify their leftist, anti-white agenda?

    Richard Spencer & Nathan Damigo Full Press Conference 8/14/2017

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKwEpyVYTE4

  • Des: We are actually here in great agreement. I have no sympathy or agreement with the white supremacists at the Charlottesville’s protest. I actually despise them for their bigotry and hatred. They, like the leftist fascists, would gladly be as violent and as fascist, if they had the chance.

    I make no excuse for them. I only note that they are not a big problem, yet. The problem recently has been the violence and fascism coming from the left. If we do not address this soon, however, fascism on the right will also grow, and we will find ourselves living in a savage vicious place.

  • Xela

    Robert Zimmerman:

    I appreciate your support for free speech right here, but you are wrong in one, important point. The purpose of the alt-right and this specific event in Charlottesville is not to demonstrate (for) white supremacy, even if there some neo-Nazis appeared at the rally (BTW, this has to better controlled by the alt-right organizer).

    No, it is about the defense of the white race as such, which is under attack in US society (and even worldwide). You have been confirmed this fact several times at this blog. Movements as alt-right are a backlash against this pressure, which is built up by ruling leftist media and political system, which support (already failed) multiculturalism, in order to suppress white people. Not only black lives but also white lives matter!

    White people also deserve activists/pressure groups as other races or ethnicities (Blacks, Jews, Hispanics, and so forth), which fight for their right to exists. There is real danger that white people are going to extinct. Left-wing groups cheer this development, which is really evil and racist (in its true meaning). Please, do not be bigot. Pease support this objective of alt-right (white people) and or least try understand it.

  • LocalFluff

    Don’t worry, Xela
    We know very well how to kill lots of people. All of the engineering and management is in place. We just need to combine the trans-Atlantic slavery with the holocaust and other socialists’ concentration camps. Et viola, we might recover the Middle East to become a civilization again!

  • LocalFluff

    And the extermination should be taken care of professionally, not by some madman driving his car through a crowd randomly killing and injuring good people unknown to the mad driver. No, this whole situation has to be taken care of at an industrial scale by professionals. By SS doctors wearing a white coat outside of their oberhauptführer uniform. Sorry, but that’s the only possible cure available. Amputation. Better lose something than losing everything.

  • Xela: To focus on race, whether white or black, is to play into the hands of bigots. I won’t play that game. I believe in American freedom, where each person is judged by what they do, not by their race, religion, or ethnicity, or the group they belong. If everyone lines up against everyone else according to these superficial issues, then we won’t have a nation any longer. All we will have is madness and hate.

    And you will not change my mind. The white racists demonstrating in Charlottesville also condemned “the Jews for replacing them,” My family has been here before. If this crowd got power (like the fascist left), they’d come after me just like the fascist left is coming after them.

    Moreover, if you come here to advocate white racism, I will ban you. I have done this before, and I will do it again. I will not allow my website to be used as a tool for the promotion of race hatred.

  • LocalFluff: I think it is time. I will not have anyone on my website advocating mass murder, or the establishment of concentrations camps, for any reason.

    Your right to comment on Behind the Black has now been suspended for one week. If when that time is over you wish to comment again, you will be free to do so, but be warned that if you continue to advocate in this manner, I will make the ban permanent.

    I regret doing this, because I do appreciate much of what you say.

  • Cotour

    Notice that both Local and Xela hale from places other than America, probably both from Europe and they talk of mass extinction of their fellow humans with such a nonchalance that it is a bit creepy. But it must be recognized that Europe has lived its history and these attitudes can be expected by some, and I suppose it can be at some level justified. Maybe in their experience that its the tear the band aid off quickly rather than to allow the infection to fester kind of philosophy? (Maybe a bad analogy)

    I wonder if the leftists trying to erase our American history related to similar things can appreciate that to attempt to erase your history only condemns you to be ignorant and to repeat it?

  • Xela

    @Robert Zimmerman:

    You may ban yourself from your own webpage, because you might be considered as a racist, if you believe that different races (incl. the white race) are not worth to be existent also in future or have no right to support their own existence at present. That is the way that I understand your message and it sounds quite bigot to me, if you support the existence of the Black and Jewish race, but does not grant same attitude to the white people, which BTW founded and built up America to large extent. I do not see that I am a racist, if I like to support my own people/race and does not attack or hurt any other race (Yes, this is possible).

    I understand your fears as a Jew. Yes, it seems that there is a kind of “Jewish question” as some people call it, but this should be discussed in depth later one. But look, there are also alt-right-wingers, as Jared Taylor, who has differentiated view to this question. See following links. There are many Whites which would like to welcome Jews with open armes, if later ones may decide to stop their anti-white path.

    Jared Taylor on Jews
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8wzGsLtdc4

    Shared Values? White Nationalism & Jewish Nationalism (Hebrew subtitles)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_7pL_FhglM

  • Xela: Once again, I reject your focus on group mentality and race, rather than the individual achievements of each person. As long as you put your focus on race, you will not have my support. And you will only contribute to the growing race hatred that is destroying the American dream.

    And be warned, if you continue to come here to advocate race hatred, I will ban you.

  • wayne

    “The Gods of the Copybook Headings”
    Rudyard Kipling
    https://youtu.be/hTwHCsTq3IU

  • Wayne: Nice choice. Once again, this would have made a good evening pause. I wish you’d suggest them to me by email so I could schedule them for the main page.

  • Xela: I had a suspicion so I decided to check if your email address would come up in the past on BtB, and lo and behold, I discover that you are also our dear friend Alex from Russia, now using a different name.

    As I told LocalFluff a long time ago, you post under one name or you don’t post at all. He eventually discovered there was value with sticking with the same name, as it promoted good conversation. You can return to using Alex, or you can stick with Xela, but no more changes.

  • wodun

    @D. Messier

    Police controlled by Democrats have helped the Democrat’s militant activists engage in violence in many cities across the country. Our host gave some examples. Seattle is another. When police channel opposing groups together rather than keep them apart, violence will happen. This is especially true since the Democrat’s militant activists show up with the explicit purpose to use violence.

    And when police keep the two groups separate, Democrats use violence against the police and local property.

    In order to stop the violence in Charlottesville, all the police had to to was keep the two groups separate. Had the Democrats not shown up to do battle, and their complicit police force stood down, there would have been no car attack and there would have been no melee.

    Instead Democrats CELEBRATE their violence and their elected politicians march with their militant activists. Its horrific especially since the Democrats activists march with communist flags and advocate overthrow of the government of the USA and our economic system. Democrats have turned a blind eye to their totalitarian base, and elected officials, for far too long.

    Democrats have used violence in the name of politics for well over a hundred years and the way to get the current violence to stop is to get the Democrats to stop being violent.

  • Xela or Alex: I have thought about this, and have decided, since I warned you previously that posting about advocating race bigotry would get you banned, and you said you were no longer going to post here, and then proved that a lie by coming back under another name for the express purpose of once again advocating race bigotry, that you should get banned. The deed is done.

    Behind the Black has been up for seven years. It is sad that only recently have I had to ban people.

  • Edward

    Robert wrote: “By the way, does anyone remember the pro-Nazi demonstration planned for Skokie, Illinois in 1978, supported and defended successfully in the courts by the ACLU? Then, it was our responsibility to allow free speech to occur, no matter how offensive and vile. And it was the left that was defending such opinions.

    Of course the left defended the NAZIs. The NAZIs are leftists. They are socialists, specifically the Nationalist Socialist German Worker’s Party. The NAZIs were supported by many Democrats before the US got into WWII. The NAZIs got some of their ideas from American Democrats. Several NAZI policies were in line with American Democrat philosophies, such as the KKK.

    It was the Democrats who instituted Jim Crow laws. The Democrats were responsible for the Trail of Tears as well as the internment of loyal Americans during WWII. During slavery, the South was majority Democrat, and it was the Republicans who actively worked to end slavery and the Democrats who actively worked to prolong slavery. Reverend Martin Luther King was a Republican, because Democrats were still working to keep blacks down — and they still are, insisting on welfare systems that trap people in that system, especially when their skin color is the right shade for the Democrats.

    Robert wrote: “Now such freedom of speech is just not acceptable. It must be stopped, and stopped as violently as possible. And in stopping any dissent, we end up celebrating our ignorance, since without a willingness to at least hear the other point of view, no matter how vile, and debate it vigorously, we make it impossible to defeat it.

    Of course the left believes that freedom of speech must be stopped. Even though it is leftists who are claiming to want to “Unite the Right,” they make their own bigotry sound like it is not leftist bigotry but bigotry from the right wing. It is a classic case of fooling everyone by dressing up in sheep’s clothing.

    If we heard what the organizers had to say, we would instantly know that they were leftists, not right wing.

    Robert wrote: “These bad and bigoted ideas will flourish in ignorance, made martyrs by being oppressed. Worse, the oppression will provide society no way to air more reasonable dissenting ideas. The bigotry will fester, unchallenged.

    This is the purpose of the exercise, to fool everyone into believing that it is the right (which they claim needs to be united), not the left, that is the batch of bigots. Debate and discussion must be shut down before anyone realizes the deception.

    Except for the belief that there were right wingers involved in this fiasco, Xela (Alex) is correct. “This was a staged event, a constructed trap, in order to damage right-winger.” The original group — the organizing group — is actually left wing. The staging was done in order to accomplish the purpose of the exercise.

    The “two sides” are both far left sides, it is just that may be a spectrum from far left to very far left.

    D. Messier wrote: “I can’t imagine in a million years that Charlottesville officials did anything of the kind.

    Last year, pro-Trumpists coming out of a rally were funneled by San Jose, California, police into going past violent protesters, and some of them got beat up. This is not a new concept, and it is not an inconceivable concept.
    http://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/lawsuit-against-san-jose-by-trump-supporters-to-go-forward/

    Robert wrote: “The hate and violence here isn’t coming just from white supremacists. It is coming from the left as well.

    This implies that the white supremacists are not left wing. They are most definitely left wing, as this is a long-standing Democratic belief, as exemplified by the KKK.

    Des wrote (to Robert) “Your favourite pejorative for all things left wing is fascist and often it is justified. However you can only bring yourself to call the white nationalists bigots.

    The left-wing white supremacists did not perform fascist tactics, that night. They do, however, advocate a bigoted point of view. Do not confuse the two.

    Oh, and D. Messier, a few months ago I asked you over and over for any one of those 1,001 links to research and results, but trying as hard as you could, you were unable to produce a single one. You produced a lot of opinions, but no research.

  • Edward

    Come to think of it, this thread has had a lot of the very same hate and ignorance that inspired Robert to create this post in the first place.

  • pzatchok

    If we have non Americans here advocating for violence what about on all the left/progressive blogs?

    For the most part it seams we have an adult and thus experienced group here who can identify and recognize non Americans for the most part.
    But the youth of the left have almost no way of telling the difference. They are virtually defenseless in this regard.

    How many outside agitators are sitting back now giggling about what they think they had a small hand in?

    What about the financing of all these leftist protest groups? Just how many are now getting more financing from outside the US? More outside funding more outside influence.

  • wayne

    pzatchok-
    you bring up an interesting point that speaks to the ignorance-factor in play.

  • Edward

    Xela (Alex) wrote: “it is about the defense of the white race as such, which is under attack in US society (and even worldwide). … Movements as alt-right are a backlash against this pressure, which is built up by ruling leftist media and political system, which support (already failed) multiculturalism, in order to suppress white people. Not only black lives but also white lives matter!

    If the protest/demonstration/movement is all about judging by the content of one’s character rather than by the color of one’s skin (as Affirmative Action does), then this is not bigotry or racism.

    However, if it is based upon skin color or race, such as the right to “exist,” meaning maintaining racial purity, then it is bigoted and more racist than the protesters may believe. It is at least as evil and racist as cheering or genociding that race (if I may en-verb-ulate a noun).

    If you you choose your friends based upon race, then you are probably more racist than you think. If you choose your housing, schooling, workers or co-workers, or boss based upon race, then you are probably more racist than you think. If you advocate for segregation based upon race, skin color, personal preferences, wealth, education level, etc., then you are probably more racist or bigoted than you think.

    If you advocate that your race matters but shout down anyone who says that all races matter, then you are probably more racist than you think.

    If you you choose your mate based upon race, then you are probably more racist than you think. That was the meaning of the song, “You’ve Got To Be Taught” from the musical “South Pacific”:
    http://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/the-evening-pause/south-pacific-youve-got-to-be-taught/

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