Someone is apparently considering putting a helicopter on Starship when it goes to Mars
In my regular trolling through the images sent down from Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter (MRO), I sometimes come across things that imply truly exciting future missions. That happened when in 2019 I found a bunch of photos each labeled as a “candidate landing site for SpaceX Starship”. Without fanfare SpaceX had begun researching locations for where it intended to land Starship on Mars, in the northern lowland plains, research that it later solidified considerably.
Similarly, I have found MRO images in 2022 suggesting scientists were thinking of running a helicopter mission inside Valles Marineris, the largest canyon in the solar system. Another image in 2024 suggested that a helicopter mission might go to another region in Mars’s southern cratered highlands.
The image to the right, cropped, reduced, and sharpened to post here, is another new example of a potential Martian helicopter mission. It was taken on August 19, 2025 and is labeled provocatively “Characterize Possible Rotorcraft Landing Site.” Unlike the previous two proposed helicopter locations, however — which appeared to be aimed at uncertain NASA funding — this image’s location suggests it is far more certain, and might launch far sooner than you can imagine.
The black cross on overview map to the right marks the location, in the northern fringes of the Erebus Mountains and only 79 miles from Starship prime landing site #2. It is also only 30 to 40 miles from secondary candidate landing sites #1 and #5.
Why fly a helicopter here? The picture explains why. This region is known to have a lot of near surface ice, some of which is thought to be just a few feet below the surface. The mottled terrain to the right suggests exactly that, with the mottling caused as that near surface ice sublimated away over time.
Note the craters. None appear to be impact craters, since they have no rims or splash aprons. Instead, these appear to be sinkholes, possibly caused as well by underground sublimation of that ice. Moreover, just a few hundred feet to the west is an 800-foot-high peak with a crater at its top, clearly resembling a small volcano. In this case, however, the material ejected from that caldera was likely ice-impregnated mud.
Or at least, that’s my guess. To confirm these guesses you’d have to send a rover or helicopter there to take a closer look.
In other words, some scientist or someone at SpaceX is researching the idea of loading a helicopter onto one of the early Starship Mars missions, and requested this image because this would be a great place to send it. And based on Elon Musk’s preliminary Starship Mars plans, announced in May 2025 and shown in the graphic below, there will be plenty of opportunities in the next decade to do so.

The Musk preliminary game plan for sending Starship landers to Mars over the next few years. Click for source.
All of this is guesswork on my part, but I don’t think my guesses are far off the mark. Starship provides scientists a great opportunity to do ground-breaking work that had previously been considered impossible because of cost and the weight limitations of the available rockets. Starship’s reusable design and incredible power changes that paradigm entirely. The cost will drop so much that private citizens or companies could finance such missions, getting great publicity in the process.
The future American space program being run by SpaceX is going to be something truly to behold.
On Christmas Eve 1968 three Americans became the first humans to visit another world. What they did to celebrate was unexpected and profound, and will be remembered throughout all human history. Genesis: the Story of Apollo 8, Robert Zimmerman's classic history of humanity's first journey to another world, tells that story, and it is now available as both an ebook and an audiobook, both with a foreword by Valerie Anders and a new introduction by Robert Zimmerman.
The print edition can be purchased at Amazon or from any other book seller. If you want an autographed copy the price is $60 for the hardback and $45 for the paperback, plus $8 shipping for each. Go here for purchasing details. The ebook is available everywhere for $5.99 (before discount) at amazon, or direct from my ebook publisher, ebookit. If you buy it from ebookit you don't support the big tech companies and the author gets a bigger cut much sooner.
The audiobook is also available at all these vendors, and is also free with a 30-day trial membership to Audible.
"Not simply about one mission, [Genesis] is also the history of America's quest for the moon... Zimmerman has done a masterful job of tying disparate events together into a solid account of one of America's greatest human triumphs."--San Antonio Express-News
In my regular trolling through the images sent down from Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter (MRO), I sometimes come across things that imply truly exciting future missions. That happened when in 2019 I found a bunch of photos each labeled as a “candidate landing site for SpaceX Starship”. Without fanfare SpaceX had begun researching locations for where it intended to land Starship on Mars, in the northern lowland plains, research that it later solidified considerably.
Similarly, I have found MRO images in 2022 suggesting scientists were thinking of running a helicopter mission inside Valles Marineris, the largest canyon in the solar system. Another image in 2024 suggested that a helicopter mission might go to another region in Mars’s southern cratered highlands.
The image to the right, cropped, reduced, and sharpened to post here, is another new example of a potential Martian helicopter mission. It was taken on August 19, 2025 and is labeled provocatively “Characterize Possible Rotorcraft Landing Site.” Unlike the previous two proposed helicopter locations, however — which appeared to be aimed at uncertain NASA funding — this image’s location suggests it is far more certain, and might launch far sooner than you can imagine.
The black cross on overview map to the right marks the location, in the northern fringes of the Erebus Mountains and only 79 miles from Starship prime landing site #2. It is also only 30 to 40 miles from secondary candidate landing sites #1 and #5.
Why fly a helicopter here? The picture explains why. This region is known to have a lot of near surface ice, some of which is thought to be just a few feet below the surface. The mottled terrain to the right suggests exactly that, with the mottling caused as that near surface ice sublimated away over time.
Note the craters. None appear to be impact craters, since they have no rims or splash aprons. Instead, these appear to be sinkholes, possibly caused as well by underground sublimation of that ice. Moreover, just a few hundred feet to the west is an 800-foot-high peak with a crater at its top, clearly resembling a small volcano. In this case, however, the material ejected from that caldera was likely ice-impregnated mud.
Or at least, that’s my guess. To confirm these guesses you’d have to send a rover or helicopter there to take a closer look.
In other words, some scientist or someone at SpaceX is researching the idea of loading a helicopter onto one of the early Starship Mars missions, and requested this image because this would be a great place to send it. And based on Elon Musk’s preliminary Starship Mars plans, announced in May 2025 and shown in the graphic below, there will be plenty of opportunities in the next decade to do so.

The Musk preliminary game plan for sending Starship landers to Mars over the next few years. Click for source.
All of this is guesswork on my part, but I don’t think my guesses are far off the mark. Starship provides scientists a great opportunity to do ground-breaking work that had previously been considered impossible because of cost and the weight limitations of the available rockets. Starship’s reusable design and incredible power changes that paradigm entirely. The cost will drop so much that private citizens or companies could finance such missions, getting great publicity in the process.
The future American space program being run by SpaceX is going to be something truly to behold.
On Christmas Eve 1968 three Americans became the first humans to visit another world. What they did to celebrate was unexpected and profound, and will be remembered throughout all human history. Genesis: the Story of Apollo 8, Robert Zimmerman's classic history of humanity's first journey to another world, tells that story, and it is now available as both an ebook and an audiobook, both with a foreword by Valerie Anders and a new introduction by Robert Zimmerman.
The print edition can be purchased at Amazon or from any other book seller. If you want an autographed copy the price is $60 for the hardback and $45 for the paperback, plus $8 shipping for each. Go here for purchasing details. The ebook is available everywhere for $5.99 (before discount) at amazon, or direct from my ebook publisher, ebookit. If you buy it from ebookit you don't support the big tech companies and the author gets a bigger cut much sooner.
The audiobook is also available at all these vendors, and is also free with a 30-day trial membership to Audible.
"Not simply about one mission, [Genesis] is also the history of America's quest for the moon... Zimmerman has done a masterful job of tying disparate events together into a solid account of one of America's greatest human triumphs."--San Antonio Express-News



A CH-47 Chinook would fit nicely, no? Some supplemental LOX required.
Wow. I hope this happens.
Richard M, thanks for your reply on YT!
Phillip has taken a dislike to me for some reason. :)
https://youtu.be/E3JIO9blTfg?si=8i8ZUZDks_509eyS
Jeff Greason was unavailable for comment
Jeff Wright,
Why would Jeff Greason comment? He was never involved with rotorcraft. I think you’ve got him confused with Gary Hudson of the late Rotary Rocket Company.
It was a ROTON joke….never mind
PS I thought he did play a role in that
Yep Jeff G was part of the ROTON prop team.
Always takes me a while, when I bother, to parse Jeff Wright’s statements. Suspect he’s on a different wavelength than my own!
Nice to think SpaceX thinking in terms of hundreds of tons payload of per lander. Figure out how to use the lander on site after unloading and you will have something fun. Regardless, in space terms, this massive and a real improvement.
One of the things I played around with long ago was order of magnitude tonnage moved around the US in various modes of shipping. Most of us don’t realize the sheer mass of stuff being moved from here to there on a daily basis.
For example, there are roughly 1.6 rail cars in service in the US today. Average fully loaded payload runs 70 – 115 tons.
There are around 5.6 million over the road trailers in service today. Average payload runs around 20 tons, though the legal limit is twice that.
Either way, it is nice to finally be thinking about tonnages moved from here to there in space. Cheers –
Jeff Wright,
Upon further digging, I find Jeff Greason was at Rotary Rocket for at least awhile. Gary Hudson was the CEO and co-founder and a guy named Bevin McKinney was CTO and had the idea for the rotor. Greason was apparently a propulsion engineer there. I couldn’t find out if he was involved in the rotor-tip engines or the fixed engines on the base of the craft or both.
In any case, you have provided me a pair of orthopedic shoes and I stand corrected.
I need those shoes more than you do…
To Patrick U
“Suspect he’s on a different wavelength than my own!”
You don’t want in my head.
John Malkovich couldn’t withstand it.