Georgia University professor allows students to pick their grades


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The coming dark age: A Georgia University professor, in establishing what he calls “a stress reduction policy,” will allow students to change their grades should any grade cause them “undue stress.”

As he instructs his students:

If you feel unduly stressed by a grade for any assessable material or the overall course, you can email the instructor indicating what grade you think is appropriate, and it will be so changed. No explanation is required.”

The professor also will allow students to quit any group assignment if they don’t like “the group’s dynamics.” He will also forbid any negative comments about anyone’s work in class.

If this reflects the standards of this university, I question why anyone would want to attend it. Your degree will essentially be a waste of money.

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  • Cotour

    Students need more stress not less, higher expectation, not lower. This professor abandons his leadership responsibility and with that his students (And the parents who pay his salary). He makes a point that “this is each students own responsibility”, which boiled down he is entirely correct. But then has no expectation or standard by which to evaluate their performance because it might be too stressful. If I were a parent of a student in such a school I would removed them immediately. This is not education this is a kind of indoctrination.

    A lot of this stuff going on within education at all levels are sooo stupid, sooo ridiculous that I constantly look for the onion symbol. But can not find it.

    I re post this counter to this convoluted logic of today’s educational system, at least here this professor gives a real world experience to his students, no room to mind massage the pros and cons of socialist doctrine, its all right in your face and it effects you directly. And so here a student can actually learn something of value:

    An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before,
    but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama’s socialism worked and that no one
    would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

    The professor then said, “OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama’s plan”. All grades will be
    averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A….
    (substituting grades for dollars – something closer to home and more readily understood by all).

    After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset
    and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little
    had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.

    The second test average was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.

    As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in
    hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

    To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail
    because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away,
    no one will try or want to succeed.

    These are possibly the 5 best sentences you’ll ever read and all applicable to this experiment:

    1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

    2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

    3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

    4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

    5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.

  • Mitch S

    I wonder if this was a good prof who just burnt out after getting complaints from students and administrators that his classes weren’t easy enough.

    Coutor, I liked that story of professor’s socialism experiment, sounds like this prof is essentially telling them the same thing:
    “this policy might hinder the development of group skills and mastery of the class material,” but says this is each student’s own responsibility.”

  • LocalFluff

    I’ll email that Georgia university and tell them that I have graduated there! This used to be infamously possible with letter box “universities” in Panama. A government minister in my country bought a fake title from Panama because he thought it would make him look better (Oh, wow, so you’re a doctor of philology at the university of Coco Solo, by professor Jumbojumbo!!). But the US is still a slightly better brand name. And much easier for me since I don’t spell Spanish.

  • Cotour

    “The professor also will allow students to quit any group assignment if they don’t like “the group’s dynamics.” ”

    So in the real world, how does this instruction or indoctrination square with someone, say working with a customer that is a challenge? “Oh, I do not like this customers “group dynamic”. I will not be working with him (Or her), they are too upsetting to my sensibilities.”. Really?

    Let me tell you, I deal with sales people green and right out of college often. I make considerations for this condition but we start out with these first 3 rules, 1. Never tell me what your sales manager tells you you have to sell and never bring them with you. 2. Don’t come here wearing a tie. And 3. Pay attention to me and don’t drive me nuts.

    I am usually brutal with them (You think I’m brutal here?) but over time they get to know how they need to deal with their customers. I teach them through example and direct feed back. Pay attention to your customers and placate to some degree your sales manager and operate in that space that you are able to carve out for yourself.

    Why pay attention to me? Because I am their and their sales managers boss. And who is my boss? My customers. I write the checks, therefore I am the boss, pay attention to me. My customers pay me and pay for EVERYTHING. My job? Pay attention to my customers, they are my boss.

    The sales people that I can not stand and do not seem to be figuring things out, if I think that they are just off on the wrong foot (Because they are listening to their sales manger, which they have to, but they must keep everything in context) or they have a personality quirk, I sit them down and explain to them how to make adjustments to their style to be better. Their jobs as sales people is not to sell anything, that’s way down the list. What is their first job? To build a good long term (Not short term) credible relationship with their customers. The customer is the most important person.

    Non of these children that are being taught in this manner are being done any favors by these counter intuitive “Progressive” (God I hate that term) teaching paradigms. Although when they interface with the real world they may in a short time question some of the things that they were taught. The smart ones will be outraged and start demanding their (Or their parents) money back.

  • wayne

    Cotour-
    Good stuff.

  • Can I pick my tuition, too?

  • LocalFluff

    Cotour
    I understand your frustration with salesmen, I’ve been selling a gadget to companies myself. All customers come up with objections. Like “We already have that”, “We don’t need that”, “We tried that already and it didn’t work” and on and on. But there’s a limited numbers of them repeated. So one thinks out refutations of those objections. When the customer comes up with one of those objections, you as a salesman refute it, thoroughly and politely. Then the next objection too, and you have several alternatives to pick from according to the sentiment and situation. The third objection is the last and very lame and desperate. It doesn’t even has to be refuted other than by nodding in agreement, instead one then starts talking about prices.

    When you meet a salesman you meet someone who is an expert on having exactly this meeting! He has these meetings four times a day, you have it for maybe the third time in your career. You think about the product, the salesman thinks about the meeting.

  • Cotour

    Local:

    My observation about all sales, and I am also a salesman for the most part, besides the nine other jobs that I do, its the long term philosophy and creating a credible personal connection through respect for your customer that is based in honesty that is thee number one element of sales. If you are able to genuinely establish these easily recognizable traits to the people that you sell to you will have dedicated customers for life. A fast, short term philosophy is IMO death.

    One other key thing to understand is the difference between the objective and the subjective. Sales / being at work is all about being in the objective. If you are subjective at work (emotional) you can not properly function. Consciously being aware of these differences and knowing when you are slipping from the objective to the subjective is key.

    My frustration with sales people is that there are so many of them that if I allow them they will occupy all of my time during the day. I learned early how to keep them at bay, I learned how to say NO. Once again, he (Or she) who writes the checks is the boss. I learned how to use my position to my advantage and garner respect through not abusing the position. And I have a good time doing it every day, I have not been at work in 20 years.

  • LocalFluff

    Long-term relations don’t work in personal sales. People, especially those decision makers worth dealing with, are frequently promoted, or change employer. And I actually dislike many of the guys I spend my free time with (because they are friends of friends or relatives or whatever and we’re supposed to try to have fun together). I wouldn’t buy their used car. Maybe not because they try to fool me, but because I don’t wish them any good either. It’s much easier to be comfortable with someone during an hour (at most) long discussion about a common issue.

    Actually, my best customers were small bosses in public sector, because they reorganize their little domain when they become bosses, because nothing works (because it is public sector) and they want to try to look like someone who solves that problem. After a couple of years they are promoted and the next guys takes over and reorganizes again. I sell each time! Long-term doesn’t even exist.

    Maybe if selling something to you as a person, by having a relationship with you and know you and still stick with you. Like health or entertaining or other services. But that’s why God invented wives! Not recommended to be competed with.

  • Cotour

    There certainly are different aspects related to sales, I deal more personally with individuals in the public and not large corporate or government entity managers. We all have to figure it out one way or another. Do what works, don’t do what does not work. That’s as simple as it gets.

    The test? Putting up the numbers. No numbers and you are doing something wrong, fail to recognize the problem and adapt, then extinction is eminent.

    Personality is also a big factor. I have witnessed individuals trying to be a sales person but they are not front line people. Does not mean that they are not useful just means that they have not found their proper work venue. This all is analogous to Darwinian competition, eventually the real world feed back is the ultimate arbiter. And this is why this subject of “Progressive” / Liberal manipulation of the education system is so important to understand. Education is not primarily about teaching in today’s world, its more about indoctrination concentrated on “Proper” political philosophy alignment.

    Just one more BIG deception by those who have acquired power to serve their own agendas. Very dangerous. All Liberal or leftist agenda must be lied about, its all intellectually dishonest.

  • LocalFluff

    Btw, here’s a scene of one of those horrible youth of the day (they are getting worse every generation! So we of a superior generation always claim) is teaching Mr Hitler how to use the internets. Including Engelbart’s double-clicking. With clueless bystanders and assistants. So, the story goes that Hitler reappears in Berlin today as he were in 1945. And a newspaper in crisis discovers him and tries to make some kind of story out of it. (This was all pre-Trump!)

    I think it is great that the Germans somehow now finally try to get to grips with their bad voting record. But this is mostly making fun of the fake and failing media world of our day. Hitler is used only because he’s the most famous person in all of media. I’m surprised to see a relatively well made European movie, especially on this topic. “Er ist wieder da”.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIJpOw78HMM

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