According to a new survey of businesses, 1 in 10 will drop health coverage for their employees when Obamacare goes into full effect.
Repeal it! According to a new survey of businesses, 1 in 10 will drop health coverage for their employees when Obamacare goes into full effect.
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Repeal it! According to a new survey of businesses, 1 in 10 will drop health coverage for their employees when Obamacare goes into full effect.
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Thats the point, the private market must be destroyed to be reborn in the one provider, government model.
What business man or woman would choose to pay $5,000.00 a year per employee’s health insurance policy if they could pay a “penalty”
(now called a tax) of $2,000.00 ?
Government creates incentive and disincentive through its taxation / penalty power.
I have NEVER had an employer come out and admit what they actually pay for their part of my healthcare. I am of the opinion that me any my fellow employees are paying almost if not all of it ourselves.
If they drop coverage and go the cheaper penalty route then I guess they are paying quite a bit. But if they don’t then I guess the penalty is more than what they pay now.
You don’t actually think a large company has enough love in its heart to spend a few thousand a year extra on its cheap laborers?
That 1 in 10 number tells me that 9 in 10 either love their employees or don’t pay more than the penalty now.
First of all that one in ten number is probably actually right off the bat more like three in ten, IMO, do you own a business?
You sound like you do not, I do.
What do you think is going on?
I assume from your post that you believed the CBO’s initial scoring of the cost of Obamacare, it started out at about 900 BILLION dollars over
ten years, they just made adjustments to their projections to 2.6 TRILLION dollars over ten years.
Thats a 2.9 times error, revealed over just a two year span.
What do you think the actual error will be over ten years?
You can answer this question, just look at any and all government program from the past.
If this scheem is to be implimented properly the private system must be destroyed, and replaced by government as the sole provider
If not right off the bat then over time. At that point the government owns the people, exactly opposit of the intent of the founders.
The answer to this healthcare problem lies in the market and making some adjustments to how and where insurance can be purchased and
in tort law reform.
Since Supreme Court Justice Roberts abandoned his responsibility as a judge in the recent court ruling the people will have one last
opportunity to remedy this most anti American law in November.
Will you have this straight in your mind before then?
This is America, we are different then any other country on the planet, understand the difference and make sure it remains this way.
Well said, JGL – just because other countries have experimented with Socialized medicine and even if it works to some degree there, we are NOT like other countries ! ! People here are not as willing to stand in line & wait for things they previously could get immediately or with very little wait. We also are not likely to just lie down & accept it if told “NO – sorry, you can’t have that surgery!” We value freedom over almost every other trait here – and ObamaCare is the very antithesis of freedom ! ! Not to mention the outrageous COST – even if we all agreed we wanted this monstrosity, we simply CANNOT afford it – not under any realistic scenario of tax revenues vs.outlays – it’s simply not even remotely workable…
JGL.
I’m NOT agreeing with Obama Care. I hate the idea let alone the plan.
I’m just saying that the projected number of 1in 10 is making it sound like only 1 in10 pay more than the penalty now.
The future is all up in the air. The cost of care is going to go up big time. If you tell everyone that they get medical care for free then guess who is going to be running for the doctors office as soon as they get a cough? Everyone.
Guess who is going to want an MRI every time they think they have funny bump or a head ache? Everyone.
Inside ten years everyone except the very rich will be on the public system. But I don’t have to tell you that, you obviously know it already.
As as to the 1 in 10 number. If employers were already paying more than the penalty why wouldn’t they drop coverage and tell everyone to go public? As costs go up yes, more will drop coverage, but right now I need to see just how many ARE dropping coverage because they are paying more than the penalty NOW.
The number id bugus because the main group of business that would drop coverage or tell their non covered employees to go public have already gotten deferments from the administration.
Places like McD’s and other national fast food places. And unions. Hundreds of the largest companies with the most employees that don’t have coverage. Now those very same employees that didn’t have coverage before will STILL not have coverage.
Thanks to the same stuges that made this idiot law.
And quite frankly I work with a bunch of idiots who would vote for this moron again because he passed this law covering everyone’ Never realizing that not one extra person is covered.
And yes my family did own a business. And we did pay for health coverage. For the family members.
And compared to what I am getting through my employer now and what I got before I’m getting screwed.
Granted I paid more then, but I got more coverage. My employer now has a 200 person pool to work a cheaper deal, and I’m still paying over half for less than half the amount of coverage. I just can’t see them paying more than the penalty now. And they are promising to not drop us but admit our costs could go up a bit.
I own a small business and I know others who own small businesses, we pay on average close to 5 thousand dollars per employee per year
to offer them a healthcare policy, not everyone is offered it.
That number is a fact, the “penalty” is structured to be less then offering insurance, it is a monitary incentive to business to lower their
overhead. Its a short term mentality monitary drug, the government is pushing this drug.
At this point in time healthcare is something I choose to offer to give a positive incentive to an employee, it is not manditory but it is offered in
this business model to reward good people who do a good job who you want to retain.
It’s a good thing, as Martha Stewart would say.
The governments model intends to remove this incentive from private business and put itself in that roll.
Like I pointed out, the government can create an incentive or disincentive throught taxation and penalties to give people incentive to do more
of something or less.
This anti Constitutional law due to the Supreme Court Chief Judges abandonment of his responsibilities is structured to destroy the private
health insurance industry, think of it as a chess game, the next move is to the American people.
Keep in mind, just because a person has a piece of paper that says they have healthcare that does not mean that they will actually recieve
anything that we would consider acceptable healthcare.
Also keep in mind that Congress and the Senate and the president are exempt from this system.
The best of luck to you, thank you for your response.
Keep thinking.
200 emplyees X $3000.00 = $600,000.00 per year savings
Now thats what I call an incentive for business to eliminate providing heathcare insurance at work.
But don’t worry, Im sure the government under the current leadership will find a way to usurp that also.
The only way to fully control the cost of health care is to control it from the top down.
Starting with the schools teaching new healthcare workers, the manufacturers or all medical products, the hospitals employing those workers and using those products, then the patients using those services.
They will have to control the costs all the way to the end user. Doctors and nurses will just have to be satisfied being government employees making a set wage doing a set task.
Hospitals will just have to be happy being directly controlled by a new government bureaucracy.
And patients will just have to be happy getting the quality of care that a would make Cuban health care look good.