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June 29, 2022 Zimmerman/Batchelor podcast

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Now available in hardback and paperback as well as ebook!


From the press release: In this ground-breaking new history of early America, historian Robert Zimmerman not only exposes the lie behind The New York Times 1619 Project that falsely claims slavery is central to the history of the United States, he also provides profound lessons about the nature of human societies, lessons important for Americans today as well as for all future settlers on Mars and elsewhere in space.

Conscious Choice: The origins of slavery in America and why it matters today and for our future in outer space, is a riveting page-turning story that documents how slavery slowly became pervasive in the southern British colonies of North America, colonies founded by a people and culture that not only did not allow slavery but in every way were hostile to the practice.  
Conscious Choice does more however. In telling the tragic history of the Virginia colony and the rise of slavery there, Zimmerman lays out the proper path for creating healthy societies in places like the Moon and Mars.


“Zimmerman’s ground-breaking history provides every future generation the basic framework for establishing new societies on other worlds. We would be wise to heed what he says.” —Robert Zubrin, founder of founder of the Mars Society.


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  • Ron

    What would it take for NASA to launch people from Vandenburg or Boca Chica instead of 39A?

  • Jay

    Before the Challenger accident, the Air Force was going to get Columbia and launch it from Vandenburg (we call it Vandy), NASA does not own it. The facility built for the shuttle is called SLC-6 but it is now used for the Delta-4 Heavy launches. Vandy launches only into polar orbits. We would look like the Chinese launching over our own homeland with the hazard of dropping stages on populated areas to reach the ISS.

    The reason why SpaceX moved to Boca Chica was to get away from NASA. Like Bob said, NASA has become a customer and not an owner of the spacecraft like the old days. In a hypothetical situation, if NASA and SpaceX were to have Boca Chica as a joint base, it would take years for a launch of Super Heavy to occur because of government bureaucracy, in my opinion.

  • Col Beausabre

    You know, I like JB, but I am disturbed by some his guests. Case in point, a guy on last night that got his MA in 1992, went to Washington and stayed, in and out of government, ever since. Thirty years inside the Beltway. He’s in the bubble – totally divorced from the rest of the country.

    Thank &diety for guests like Selena Zito!

    And, yes, I’ve sent a note to JB expressing my concerns

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