Democratic Senator condemns idea of due process
Fascist: Senator Joe Manchin (D-West Virginia) today argued that the idea of due process, enshrined in the fifth amendment of the Bill of Rights, must go.
“The problem we have—and really, the firewall we have right now, is due process. It’s all due process. So we can all say, ‘yeah, we want the same thing,’ but how do we get there. If a person is on a terrorist watch list like the gentleman—the shooter—in Orlando, he was, twice by the FBI, we were briefed yesterday about what happened. But that man was brought in twice. They did everything they could. The FBI did everything they were supposed to do. But there was no way for them to keep him on the nix list or keep him off the gun buy list. There was no way to do that. So can’t we say that if a person is under suspicion, there should be a five year period of time that we have to see if good behavior, if this person continues the same traits? Maybe we can come to that type of an agreement. But due process is what’s killing us right now. [emphasis mine]
If you had any doubt about the fascist direction in which the Democratic Party is heading, this one quote should end that doubt. They have already demanded that the first and second amendments be changed or removed. Now Manchin, who is supposedly a moderate Democratic, is calling for the end to the fifth amendment. Apparently, the idea of liberty as expressed by the Bill of Rights is something that Democrats no longer support. And if you vote for them, you no longer support it as well, making you as much a fascist as they are.
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Fascist: Senator Joe Manchin (D-West Virginia) today argued that the idea of due process, enshrined in the fifth amendment of the Bill of Rights, must go.
“The problem we have—and really, the firewall we have right now, is due process. It’s all due process. So we can all say, ‘yeah, we want the same thing,’ but how do we get there. If a person is on a terrorist watch list like the gentleman—the shooter—in Orlando, he was, twice by the FBI, we were briefed yesterday about what happened. But that man was brought in twice. They did everything they could. The FBI did everything they were supposed to do. But there was no way for them to keep him on the nix list or keep him off the gun buy list. There was no way to do that. So can’t we say that if a person is under suspicion, there should be a five year period of time that we have to see if good behavior, if this person continues the same traits? Maybe we can come to that type of an agreement. But due process is what’s killing us right now. [emphasis mine]
If you had any doubt about the fascist direction in which the Democratic Party is heading, this one quote should end that doubt. They have already demanded that the first and second amendments be changed or removed. Now Manchin, who is supposedly a moderate Democratic, is calling for the end to the fifth amendment. Apparently, the idea of liberty as expressed by the Bill of Rights is something that Democrats no longer support. And if you vote for them, you no longer support it as well, making you as much a fascist as they are.
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The print edition can be purchased at Amazon or from any other book seller. If you want an autographed copy the price is $60 for the hardback and $45 for the paperback, plus $8 shipping for each. Go here for purchasing details. The ebook is available everywhere for $5.99 (before discount) at amazon, or direct from my ebook publisher, ebookit. If you buy it from ebookit you don't support the big tech companies and the author gets a bigger cut much sooner.
The audiobook is also available at all these vendors, and is also free with a 30-day trial membership to Audible.
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Cotour, 6/24/16:
“We can not have everything, where on the line of caution and the limits of Constitutional law should we all meet and agree?”
Manchin asks the question, but where do we meet and agree?
hence the term quisling…when one gets in the habit of licking jack boots for filthy lucre, it is habit on long jail sentences will cure…this government is packed chock full of traitors…
A Constitutional professor who teaches the Constitution has not a clue as to the intended and primary reason that the Second Amendment exists at all. He does not get it, and he teaches it. He believes that the Constitution is about “social justice”?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/14/david-cohen-drexel-law-professor-second-amendment-/
If and when the Second Amendment goes, so goes the entire country and America exists no more.
Even the Fascist United Nations requires due process, in its Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
“Article 8. Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law.”
“Article 10. Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.”
“Article 11. (1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.
“(2) No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the penal offence was committed.”
How do the US leftists become more fascist than even the United Nations?
You know that they know they are in the wrong when they don’t have confidence in the evidence they have against you. “We know he is guilty, because we feel it in our bones. Execute him first, ask questions later.” Then skip the questions part, because it became moot.
Kind of like witch hunts and witch trials. Guilt by accusation. That is not American. That is not who we are. It isn’t even British. It is French; the Napoleonic Code. “J’accuse!”
Wasn’t surprised to read this but was surprised at who said it.
I thought Manchin was the last of the sane Democrats.
Turns out Joe Manchin is another D-bag.
Plain and Simple.
I have a thought:
An expressed intention to commit a violent felony, should itself be a crime, and
an expressed desire to commit a violent felony should be grounds for a mild form of civil commitment…
both of which, if first proven in court, would be grounds to constitutionally prevent the sale of a lethal weapon to that individual.
I stridently support the constitution, and all its amendments, and consider my self a free market libertarian.
Would the above approach really interfere with civil sane persons constitutional rights?
Even currently, civil commitment is constitutional, and felons have no constitutional right to buy lethal weapons.
Is this not a brilliantly conceived compromise, that gives everyone what they want?
The laws and mechanisms already exist, your scenario is reasonable, this particular administration from on high has directed its enforcement agencies to basically stand down.
Border guards are being tasked with driving illegals INTO the country and not stopping and arresting them. They understand that it is counter intuitive but those are their orders, and they all have families that like to eat.
Executive treason comes in many flavors, many more than anyone thought existed.
http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=263&iso=20170120T00&msg=Time%20left%20until%20Obama%20leaves%20office
Notice they don’t use the term “Bill Of Rights” anymore.
Notice no one ever mentions anymore that it was demanded by the states, or no signing off on a USA at the very beginning. (KEY DEMAND!)
Notice “Bill Of Rights” were once referred to as being “written in stone”, while other amendments added on by Congressional/state action (involved process) and could be repealed by same.
I am retired military – I took an oath to the constitution – I will obey it – till they void it.
The constitution needs to be amended with this:
– if you refuse eat bacon because of the mad rants of a pedofile warlord who lived 1300 years ago, then there is so much wrong in your head that you have no right to use any weapon under any circumstances.
That would solve 90% of the terrorism problem without reducing the rights of any real human being.