A No Labels third party 2024 presidential ticket will give Americans a chance to replace the failed Democratic Party
This party has got to be replaced
With the announcement today that the No Labels third party, made up of disaffected moderates from both parties (with the majority from the Democratic Party side), will field a 2024 presidential ticket in November, most news reports are doing what this AP report does, focus on the impact that candidacy will have on the Trump-Biden match-up.
Biden supporters worry No Labels will pull votes away from the president in battleground states and are critical of how the group won’t disclose its donors or much of its decision-making.
The executive director of the group MoveOn, which is aligned with Democrats, said a No Labels ticket would help Trump win. “Any candidates who join the No Labels presidential ticket will be complicit in making it easier for Donald Trump and MAGA extremists to win a second term in the White House,” Executive Director Rahna Epting said in a written statement.
Third Way, another group that is aligned with Democrats and opposes a No Labels ticket, noted No Labels was moving forward without having first found a candidate.
Americans need to look at this a different way. The Democratic Party as presently constituted is corrupt, power- hungry, and lacking entirely of reasonable policy positions. It advocates for the queer agenda, porno in elementary schools, and the mutilation and castration of little kids under that agenda. It is convinced that it is perfectly okay for men to take over girl’s sports, and for convicted men to be imprisoned with women simply because they suddenly claim they are women. It allies itself with Hamas rapists and terrorists. And it works hard to blacklist and censor all opposition.
We need a new party to replace this crazy and very harmful Democratic Party, if only to provide some opposition to the Republican Party, which is steadily becoming increasingly conservative in order to oppose the Democratic Party’s bankrupt agenda. I say this not because I oppose that increasingly conservative Republican Party (I don’t), but in a democratic republic we must have at least two parties, if only to prevent either from grabbing too much power and becoming corrupted by it. (That is exactly what has happened to the Democratic Party, which has had little opposition within its own ranks and within the intellectual community now for decades.)
A reasonable success by No Labels in November, even if it loses the election, could lay the groundwork for it becoming that new alternative. Decent moderates who don’t feel comfortable in either the Democratic or Republican parties need a place to go that better fits their beliefs. And ordinary Democrats need a place to go that is also not insane. This new party clearly claims to provide that home.
In a sense, No Labels could emulate the Republican Party of the 1850s, that replaced the moribund and failed Whig Party. The Whigs weren’t doing a good job opposing the Democrats who supported slavery, so former Whig politicians formed a new party to do that job more effectively. The result was the Republican Party and the election of Lincoln.
No Labels could do the same now, and if so, we would all be better off.
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The ebook is available everywhere for $5.99 (before discount) at amazon, or direct from my ebook publisher, ebookit. If you buy it from ebookit you don't support the big tech companies and the author gets a bigger cut much sooner.
The audiobook is also available at all these vendors, and is also free with a 30-day trial membership to Audible.
"Not simply about one mission, [Genesis] is also the history of America's quest for the moon... Zimmerman has done a masterful job of tying disparate events together into a solid account of one of America's greatest human triumphs."--San Antonio Express-News
This party has got to be replaced
With the announcement today that the No Labels third party, made up of disaffected moderates from both parties (with the majority from the Democratic Party side), will field a 2024 presidential ticket in November, most news reports are doing what this AP report does, focus on the impact that candidacy will have on the Trump-Biden match-up.
Biden supporters worry No Labels will pull votes away from the president in battleground states and are critical of how the group won’t disclose its donors or much of its decision-making.
The executive director of the group MoveOn, which is aligned with Democrats, said a No Labels ticket would help Trump win. “Any candidates who join the No Labels presidential ticket will be complicit in making it easier for Donald Trump and MAGA extremists to win a second term in the White House,” Executive Director Rahna Epting said in a written statement.
Third Way, another group that is aligned with Democrats and opposes a No Labels ticket, noted No Labels was moving forward without having first found a candidate.
Americans need to look at this a different way. The Democratic Party as presently constituted is corrupt, power- hungry, and lacking entirely of reasonable policy positions. It advocates for the queer agenda, porno in elementary schools, and the mutilation and castration of little kids under that agenda. It is convinced that it is perfectly okay for men to take over girl’s sports, and for convicted men to be imprisoned with women simply because they suddenly claim they are women. It allies itself with Hamas rapists and terrorists. And it works hard to blacklist and censor all opposition.
We need a new party to replace this crazy and very harmful Democratic Party, if only to provide some opposition to the Republican Party, which is steadily becoming increasingly conservative in order to oppose the Democratic Party’s bankrupt agenda. I say this not because I oppose that increasingly conservative Republican Party (I don’t), but in a democratic republic we must have at least two parties, if only to prevent either from grabbing too much power and becoming corrupted by it. (That is exactly what has happened to the Democratic Party, which has had little opposition within its own ranks and within the intellectual community now for decades.)
A reasonable success by No Labels in November, even if it loses the election, could lay the groundwork for it becoming that new alternative. Decent moderates who don’t feel comfortable in either the Democratic or Republican parties need a place to go that better fits their beliefs. And ordinary Democrats need a place to go that is also not insane. This new party clearly claims to provide that home.
In a sense, No Labels could emulate the Republican Party of the 1850s, that replaced the moribund and failed Whig Party. The Whigs weren’t doing a good job opposing the Democrats who supported slavery, so former Whig politicians formed a new party to do that job more effectively. The result was the Republican Party and the election of Lincoln.
No Labels could do the same now, and if so, we would all be better off.
On Christmas Eve 1968 three Americans became the first humans to visit another world. What they did to celebrate was unexpected and profound, and will be remembered throughout all human history. Genesis: the Story of Apollo 8, Robert Zimmerman's classic history of humanity's first journey to another world, tells that story, and it is now available as both an ebook and an audiobook, both with a foreword by Valerie Anders and a new introduction by Robert Zimmerman.
The ebook is available everywhere for $5.99 (before discount) at amazon, or direct from my ebook publisher, ebookit. If you buy it from ebookit you don't support the big tech companies and the author gets a bigger cut much sooner.
The audiobook is also available at all these vendors, and is also free with a 30-day trial membership to Audible.
"Not simply about one mission, [Genesis] is also the history of America's quest for the moon... Zimmerman has done a masterful job of tying disparate events together into a solid account of one of America's greatest human triumphs."--San Antonio Express-News
They could very easily be funded by a Biden billionaire hoping to cast shade on Trump the MAGA movement or just to pull any votes from Trump possible.
To have any credibility and actual effectiveness, a third party needs to start local. get some members into state houses, then the house of representatives, and move up on through the senate, etc. A third party that goes straight for the presidency is just a spoiler.
We certainly need a real third party alternative though. Both the Democrat and Republican parties are hopelessly split between the die-hards and the people who claim to want something more moderate. The result in actual operation seems to be that moderate Democrats are few and far between and only get one term in office, and moderate Republicans hang around forever but only rarely actually do anything that most of the party would consider in keeping with the stated Republican party goals.
Oy.
“Biden supporters worry No Labels will pull votes away from the president in battleground states”
Panic in DC.
A proposed analogous “No Labels” scenario and how that played out in the real world:
https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/ny-special-election-santos-02-13-24/h_e09e593c3f9206089386f95465171871
The republicans in NY decided to run a registered Democrat, “No Labels” to run for the seat that George Santos was removed from. Foolishly I might add. Santos, a very reliable Conservative Republican Congressman should have completed his term and either reelected or removed BY THE PEOPLE!
Instead th Republican powers that be, RINO, in their very superior morality did away with probably one of the most reliable Conservative votes in the Congress.
FAIL!
Mazi Pilip was essentially a “safe” Republican candidate I.E. “No Labels”. And they ran a registered Democrat.
No Labels IMO is a weak home for weak Democrats and weak Republicans who do not have the stomach for the brutal political warfare that is required to prevail. Again, in my opinion..
Say who you are and run that way AND WIN!
The American Economy and the end of Laisse-faire; 1870- to WW-2
Murray N. Rothbard
“The Great Cooperation” (Lecture 12 of 13, Fall, 1986)
https://youtu.be/f8rIfQJKYV4
1:29:29
“Public housing, planned cities, government power plants, and coerced unionism were all part of the great cooperation between corporations and government through WWI and WWII. Milton Friedman proposed the withholding tax in WWII. Statistics came into being. Cartels were created to manage many industries, e.g. railroads and food. Unions were pro-war forces. Fascism was considered great. Civil liberties were dropped…”
Some history recollected.
The Reform Party with H. Ross Perot at the helm started as the alternative to both the Democrats and the Republicans. But it drew many more disillusioned Republicans than the more disciplined leftists so enter, stage left, Slick Willie from Arkansas. Now, we all get to meet Hillary, Hillary-Care, Whitewater, Monica and a host of other nefarious people and topics. That began a long eight years of wandering in the desert for Republicans only to be brought in from the hot sands by that young upstart, Rush Limbaugh.
The two questions in my mind are:
1) Which party will lose the most votes from an organized, well-funded, third party with two marginally credible people on their ticket? (This will certainly be impacted by who are on the ticket, what message they start broadcasting, and how well they run.)
2) How disciplined with the bases remain? (Republicans will have to endure other Republican Trump-haters being paraded on MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, et al, predicting doom and gloom. And the Democrat base will have to watch demented Joe fall of stages, forget his discussion points, fumble simple words, and refuse to debate …. all while keeping an eye on Karmela as she waits in the wings. And I’m sure, they will have to endure higher courts overturning Trumps convictions and cases one after another leading up to November.)
The Chinese curse “May you live in interesting times!” is squarely upon us.
Mr Eastman makes an excellent point. Starting from the top position (President/Vice President) has worked either never or perhaps once (Republicans, although the Whigs were already in Decline and the Republicans had some state positions and lesser federal positions). I think he is wrong in that the Moderate/Blue Dog Democrats were mostly purged after the 1996 House run by Newt Gingrich. There were/are (I’m looking at you Mr Manchin) hangers on to the current day but that flavor of Democrat is nearly as extinct as the passenger pigeon partially due to where the party funding is coming from. In general without the local base the 3rd parties are gone by the next election other than the perennial also rans like the Greens and the Libertarians.
Third party candidates have been primarily spoilers in the 20th century. The Bull Moose party actually beat the Republicans but Wilson had 435 Electoral votes so that was of little import. Wallace took much of the “Solid South” away from Humphrey, but again Nixon had a preponderance of electoral votes although maybe Wallace helped him in Florida, Virginia and the Carolinas. In 1980 Anderson may have stolen some progressive Northeast republicans and disaffected Democrats but again, like Wilson, Reagan’s victory at 489 Electoral votes would likely have been dominant (though maybe not the massacre it was). The last major 3rd party attempt was that of Perot in 1992. Here I think a case can be made that combined with Bush’s irritating the fiscal conservative wing of the Republicans and Lackluster campaigning (because favorability had been sky high after Desert Storm) the Perot swap votes really did hurt Bush much more than Clinton.
One common thing is that the condition for a third party to be a spoiler is that you have to have an unpopular candidate with your own party, For example Humphrey for not being RFK and being a general nonentity, Carter for his bumbling the Iran hostage crisis, Bush for his violating the No New Taxes pledge and generally dissing the conservative part of the base. The third party then has to hit some hot issue, Wallace on segregation, Anderson on NOT being Jimmy Carter. Perot on fiscal conservatism and general conservative views.
Certainly parts of the Democrat party (especially the Anti Israel crowd and the far left types) are mad at Biden, the rest just cringe/hold their noses and stick with him. On the other side there is the more “Liberal” wing of the Republicans, but they seem far less common than the radical democrats and many of them are so opposed to Biden that they’d vote for the Devil himself if he were the Republican nominee going so to speak with the Devil they know.
If No Labels manages to get itself on ballots (and NOW is late to be doing so) I expect it to either be a non issue or a slight degradation to the Democrats in some swing states. As a party it will be gone likely before the 2026 midterms and certainly by the next presidential election in 2028
No trust for polls?
https://phys.org/news/2024-03-opinion-polls.html
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Every democrat is a democrat. They generally march in lock step according to what the government, I mean the party, tells them.
Many or most republicans are also democrats. They say what Americans want to hear to get elected but when it comes down to it, they can’t or won’t enact any policy. They’re allowed to pass something from time to time if there’s no chance of it becoming law, so they have something to run on.
The problem is democrats are no longer Americans, they are controlled by left wing deranged progressive marxist lunatics, and everyone is starting to see it.
A third party sounds nice, but it’s probably too little too late. And if the third party is allowed to exist, it will also likely also be democrats. What I mean is it will be made up of politicians who do what the government, I mean democrats tell them.