Eleven senators announce decision to challenge election results
A group of eleven senators, led by Senator Ted Cruz (R-Texas) today announced that they will challenge the election results in the disputed states, demanding that Congress set up a commission to investigate the results and prove them legitimate before certification. From their statement:
To wit, Congress should immediately appoint an Electoral Commission, with full investigatory and fact-finding authority, to conduct an emergency 10-day audit of the election returns in the disputed states. Once completed, individual states would evaluate the Commission’s findings and could convene a special legislative session to certify a change in their vote, if needed.
“Accordingly, we intend to vote on January 6 to reject the electors from disputed states as not ‘regularly given’ and ‘lawfully certified’ (the statutory requisite), unless and until that emergency 10-day audit is completed.
This group joins Senator Josh Hawley (R-Kansas), who has already announced he will vote against certification, and about 140 House Representatives, who have said the same.
Their statement is thoughtful and detailed, not an emotional soundbite. It also states the following:
We are not naïve. We fully expect most if not all Democrats, and perhaps more than a few Republicans, to vote otherwise. But support of election integrity should not be a partisan issue. A fair and credible audit-conducted expeditiously and completed well before January 20-would dramatically improve Americans’ faith in our electoral process and would significantly enhance the legitimacy of whoever becomes our next President. We owe that to the People.
These are matters worthy of the Congress, and entrusted to us to defend. We do not take this action lightly. We are acting not to thwart the democratic process, but rather to protect it. And every one of us should act together to ensure that the election was lawfully conducted under the Constitution and to do everything we can to restore faith in our Democracy. [emphasis mine]
That election integrity is now a partisan issue is the real problem. There are more than enough reasonable allegations and evidence suggesting widespread fraud in the disputed states of Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Arizona, and no election should be accepted until those allegations are investigated properly. Otherwise no one is ever going to trust any election again.
And it does not matter who wins. If a proper investigation debunks the allegations and calls Biden the winner, then so be it. Our goal should not be keeping Trump in office, but to make sure the voting process is fair, honest, and reliable.
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A group of eleven senators, led by Senator Ted Cruz (R-Texas) today announced that they will challenge the election results in the disputed states, demanding that Congress set up a commission to investigate the results and prove them legitimate before certification. From their statement:
To wit, Congress should immediately appoint an Electoral Commission, with full investigatory and fact-finding authority, to conduct an emergency 10-day audit of the election returns in the disputed states. Once completed, individual states would evaluate the Commission’s findings and could convene a special legislative session to certify a change in their vote, if needed.
“Accordingly, we intend to vote on January 6 to reject the electors from disputed states as not ‘regularly given’ and ‘lawfully certified’ (the statutory requisite), unless and until that emergency 10-day audit is completed.
This group joins Senator Josh Hawley (R-Kansas), who has already announced he will vote against certification, and about 140 House Representatives, who have said the same.
Their statement is thoughtful and detailed, not an emotional soundbite. It also states the following:
We are not naïve. We fully expect most if not all Democrats, and perhaps more than a few Republicans, to vote otherwise. But support of election integrity should not be a partisan issue. A fair and credible audit-conducted expeditiously and completed well before January 20-would dramatically improve Americans’ faith in our electoral process and would significantly enhance the legitimacy of whoever becomes our next President. We owe that to the People.
These are matters worthy of the Congress, and entrusted to us to defend. We do not take this action lightly. We are acting not to thwart the democratic process, but rather to protect it. And every one of us should act together to ensure that the election was lawfully conducted under the Constitution and to do everything we can to restore faith in our Democracy. [emphasis mine]
That election integrity is now a partisan issue is the real problem. There are more than enough reasonable allegations and evidence suggesting widespread fraud in the disputed states of Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Arizona, and no election should be accepted until those allegations are investigated properly. Otherwise no one is ever going to trust any election again.
And it does not matter who wins. If a proper investigation debunks the allegations and calls Biden the winner, then so be it. Our goal should not be keeping Trump in office, but to make sure the voting process is fair, honest, and reliable.
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GREAT MESSAGE! GREAT!
Questioner: “GREAT MESSAGE! GREAT!”
Seconded.
Is this the irrational partisan thinking that Lee S refers to?
“And it does not matter who wins. If a proper investigation debunks the allegations and calls Biden the winner, then so be it. Our goal should not be keeping Trump in office, but to make sure the voting process is fair, honest, and reliable.”
The Left can not have it both ways.
A fraudulent election is the result of that “fundamental transformation” of America as promised by you know who back in 2008. The problem of course is that that transformation has resulted in the USA becoming a banana republic where elections are determined by the entities counting the votes and not the voters.
The question of course is why are the election officials in the disputed states so dead set against their work being reviewed? What do they have to hide? It would be to Biden’s credit and legitimacy for there to be clear evidence that the election was legitimate and he indeed is the next President.
MLR:
You wrote: ” It would be to Biden’s credit and legitimacy for there to be clear evidence that the election was legitimate and he indeed is the next President.”
Of course, Biden cannot act according to your proposal because the leadership of the democratic party (including himself) are the initiators and organizers of the electoral fraud.
That makes sense, doesn’t it?
As we wait for the next “cool image”, let us pray that it is not “cropped and rotated” to fit “here”.
Dreadful days await us should the cropping and rotating of our Constitution continue.
I am – One of the We The People !
Alex Andrite: I am sure you know this, but I thought I’d mention that the reason I always outline precisely the manipulations I do to an image is so that my readers know exactly where they stand. Photoshopping generally is unacceptable in journalism, though sadly it is now somewhat routine.
If I do it, I want my readers to know, so that they won’t think I am faking anything.
MLR,
Ah, yes. We certainly have seen the “fundamental transformation” of America, as promised by The Dark Lord. One of the commenters here on BtB (is it Lee Stevenson?) still thinks that America is a great democracy, but this election has shown otherwise. We are most definitely not the same country that we were in 2005.
Welcome to Obama’s America, land of the formerly free.
Here is a clip well worth watching. Go to minutes 30-40.
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox
Woops, that should be this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhUMK3wmVaM&t=2327s
” … the reason I always outline precisely the manipulations I do to an image is so that my readers know exactly where they stand. Photoshopping generally is unacceptable in journalism, though sadly it is now somewhat routine.”
The most challenging part of writing effectively is discerning what to leave out. The writer, the journalist, will fail if he reports in language the same way a camera takes a picture.
Just the same, context in a perfect world would be a given, and a free-market media would provide it whole. Government has tainted the market with regulations that restrict business to the well-financed. Today’s media is crippled in how it serves consumers.
When the journalist reports on the view from a window with the shades half closed looking on a tropical scene, one assumes one is in the tropics. When the curtains are drawn open, that the “tropical scene” is part of an upscale business park in Irvine! It is how media lie to unwary consumers while always telling the truth. It’s nice to see an actual journalist (Mr. Z) acknowledge and respect that aspect of journalism.
janyuary:
Two thumbs up.
Actual journalism and journalists in media today are very few and hard to find. They are out there but they are few and far between. And corporate “Journalism” in media and Social Media serves only corporations and their sole motivation today and that is not freedom. They serve the cause of profits and the bottom line and pandering to the next market they want access to, Communist China. And they are as a result are serving us all up to the Communist Chinese, just like the politicians who do exactly the same.
Capitalism and free speech, what a combo.
Unless Mike Pence rejects electors on Wednesday, or Trump declares martial law, everything else is virtue signaling, showmanship, and quite frankly, mental masturbation
Horatio: Yup.
Senator Ted Cruz on the subject at hand: https://youtu.be/P_wjs7ZYSMI
[https://casetext.com/statute/united-states-code/title-3-the-president/chapter-1-presidential-elections-and-vacancies/section-15-counting-electoral-votes-in-congress]
3 U.S.C. § 15
“Section 15 – Counting electoral votes in Congress”
{The relevant part}
……
“Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any. Every objection shall be made in writing, and shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the ground thereof, and shall be signed by at least one Senator and one Member of the House of Representatives before the same shall be received. When all objections so made to any vote or paper from a State shall have been received and read, the Senate shall thereupon withdraw, and such objections shall be submitted to the Senate for its decision; and the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, in like manner, submit such objections to the House of Representatives for its decision; …”
[The only thing Pence is going to do, at the appropriate time, is to speak the words, “Are their any objections?
[if objections are made in the correct format, then debate time in each body, is limited to 2 hours total, with members speaking for up to 5 minutes, then the question is put.]
Wayne: And when the question is put, the majority of both houses will vote to certify Biden’s win, based on everything I have seen. That majority, mostly Democrat but with a few weasels like Romney and Murkowski thrown in, does not want any investigation into this election, because they suspect or know that vote tampering was done, and want to keep that tampering an option for future elections.
That is what appears about to happen.
2 hours total no matter how many objections?
Or 2 hours per objection?
Or 2 hours per state involved in those objections?
What Cruz proposes is an emergency commission composed of 5 Congresspersons, 5 Senators and 5 Supreme Court Justices.
And then if the objections are upheld those states electors are not allowed and then the election would be pushed to a states vote comprising 1 vote per state? Or a reelection? Its not clear to me where this goes or how it gets there.
Greatest show on earth.
The matter won’t end until January 20th, even if Biden is confirmed as president on January 6th.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYyvCzT0h50
One question: If it was not until after January 20 that a court found that Biden did not win the election in the swing states and thus not in all of America by accepting the irrefutable evidence, can impeachment proceedings against Biden be carried out safely?
Some key dates in the American political world:
– Monday 1/4/2021 President Trump to Dalton Georgia for a David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler rally
– Tuesday 1/5/2021 Georgia Senate runoff
– Wednesday 1/6/2021 Washington DC MAGA Rally
– Wednesday 1/6/2021 Electoral votes counted (“Massive amounts of evidence will be presented”)
– Wednesday 1/20/2021 Inauguration
Horatio, there may be other unexpected solutions from master troll Trump.
That majority, mostly Democrat but with a few weasels like Romney and Murkowski thrown in, does not want any investigation into this election, because they suspect or know that vote tampering was done, and want to keep that tampering an option for future elections.
Nope, because they’ve seen claim after claim of vote tampering melt away when subjected to a little investigative heat and realize you can’t make a mountain out of water, at some point people have to face reality.
Andrew_W:
A little message to an incorrigible denier of the truth (short: liar):
The existence of the mountains on Pluto, e.g. proves that entire mountains can be made of water. Incidentally, none of the evidence presented has so far been seriously examined by a court. So far it has only been about jurisdiction of the court, admissibility of the plaintiffs and other formal matters.
The existence of the mountains on Pluto, e.g. proves that entire mountains can be made of water. Incidentally, none of the evidence presented has so far been seriously examined by a court.
You again exhibit a clear detachment from what’s in front of you, I said: “they’ve seen claim after claim of vote tampering melt away when subjected to a little investigative heat and realize you can’t make a mountain out of water” so clear as day I’m saying you can’t build mountains out of melted ice, also known as water. But the reality of what I actually said and actually meant doesn’t suit you, so you choose to see something different to what is actually there. Again.
There has been no “Investigative heat” applied.
No court would accept any of the cases, for the various reasons they have stated, where is this investigative heat coming from?
Where is the investigation, and who undertook the investigation that you base your opinion on?
Sorry, should have included this :
A little message to an incorrigible denier of the truth (short: liar):
If we accept that humans are prone to getting carried away by their convictions, we should also accept that that’s different to lying, lying being the act of deliberately making claims the liar knows to be untrue.
In this regard you and I are in the same position, we both have convictions about what actually happened and we both genuinely hold those beliefs, neither of us is making claims we know or believe to be untrue. But you can’t accept that can you? For you your self-righteousness is so strong anyone not seeing what you see can only be acting deceitfully. So again you demonstrate you can’t see the reality in front of you, you have no respect for people with a different perspective. Me, I’m not calling anyone a liar, I’m capable of understanding those I disagree with in this debate are genuine in believing what they say.
No court would accept any of the cases, for the various reasons they have stated, where is this investigative heat coming from?
Because judges looked at the evidence offered and quickly saw it baseless, so ruling a formal case a waste of time.
https://www.wsbtv.com/news/politics/georgia-election-officials-show-frame-by-frame-what-really-happened-fulton-surveillance-video/T5M3PYIBYFHFFOD3CIB2ULDVDE/
In the above case they interview a “State elections investigator”, someone who investigates claims of fraud or irregularities.
Now, why did Giuliani offer that clip as the smoking gun? The whole video shows the ballot containers being filled with ballot papers with observers watching, they were not suitcases “smuggled in” with fake ballots ready to be counted. Surely a rational lawyer, offering a case, would look at the whole of the video and see what’s actually on it, did Giuliani? I don’t know, but making claims that are easily seen false, just by watching where the “suitcases” came from is clear disregard for the evidence available. That’s what the courts are seeing and why they’ve chosen not to waste their time.
If my lawyer failed to look at all the evidence as Giuliani did before presenting a case I’d fire him, he might get to try to explain why he was wasting my money but he would be gone. You people don’t see it like that do you? You’re not interested whether or not the people fighting for your perspective do their jobs properly as long as they can keep the fight going.
Again, I ask you, you asserted that some judge somewhere on this planet has done some degree of investigation into the alleged election fraud and I am asking you to demonstrate to me the evidence that backs up what you propose. Because I have seen NO court that has done ANY investigation, they have summarily rejected them.
I have seen much in the way of evidence regarding this situation and it will be judge in the Congress as to its veracity.
Just show me based in real actions by some court to support you contention. Simple. If you can not then I suggest you must change your perspective on this issue and not myself.
You have in fact attempted to change the subject here, and that will not be successful.
they have summarily rejected them.
And why were they summarily rejected? Because the level of evidence required for a full hearing wasn’t offered in the application, why wasn’t the required level of evidence offered? Ask the lawyer, if it had been my lawyer stuffing it up to that degree I’d be asking him.
My suspicion is that the required evidence wasn’t offered because it wasn’t available.
Simple really.
You’ve still no doubts about the strength of your sides case do you? And I suspect never will, the beliefs are too ingrained.
Define, “Properly”.
I have witnessed several hearings where evidence was actually presented in many forms and that has resulted in members of state legislatures changing their opinion about whether the electors need to be decertified. And I know that there are 140 Congresspersons and 11 Senators that have seen enough evidence to their satisfaction that they are going to object to the elector count. And that does not just happen.
So what are you really talking about? It sounds like you are reflecting your own thoughts on these issues on to others who have given you reason and logic on the subject, but you refuse to grasp it.
What do you make of that?
Again, you asserted that some court somewhere did their own investigation and found that it was all just made up. Where? Show me.
At this point we are just talking past each other.
The TRUTH or the “truth” will become apparent soon enough.
Define, “Properly”.
Well enough to get the job done, I suppose if the job is just sowing don’t and encouraging the rubes Giuliani is doing his job properly.
And I know that there are 140 Congresspersons and 11 Senators that have seen enough evidence to their satisfaction
Enough evidence to satisfy partisan people that they’ve got a case that their side has a chance.
Not a very high bar.
What do you make of that?
What do you make of your belief that numerous judges, many of them Republicans, suddenly can’t do their jobs?
At this point we are just talking past each other.
Sadly, yes, we are. . . you have a good day.
1. Rudy is doing the best work of his life right now.
2. 140 Congresspersons and 11 Senators, and those numbers will more than likely grow, would NEVER EVER going to such a place based in their partisanship. NEVER. Not in America anyway, maybe in NZ, but not here. Not for something like this.
3. Your not thinking fully and logically here. Again, you appear to be projecting your point of view on others.
4. You have not been able to produce any evidence that any court has looked into anything as you asserted. And why is that? Because no court looked into anything, they want no part of this special situation that will be settled one way or the other in the Congress.
1. Rudy is doing the best work of his life right now.
Perhaps, but only as a politician, not as a lawyer.
2. 140 Congresspersons and 11 Senators, and those numbers will more than likely grow, would NEVER EVER going to such a place based in their partisanship. NEVER. Not in America anyway, maybe in NZ, but not here. Not for something like this.
Speechless.
3. Your not thinking fully and logically here. Again, you appear to be projecting your point of view on others.
I think I’m looking at the evidence on offer, I don’t reject Trumpist claims until there’s, what I see as, good evidence to the contrary.
4. You have not been able to produce any evidence that any court has looked into anything as you asserted. And why is that? Because no court looked into anything, they want no part of this special situation that will be settled one way or the other in the Congress.
The courts looked at the submissions put in front of them and made decisions as to the merit of those submissions.
like you observed, this ain’t going anywhere.
Bye.
Are you, Andrew W, of Germanic origin also, like, Jeff F?
This is where you miss the mark:
“The courts looked at the submissions put in front of them and made decisions as to the merit of those submissions.”
NO court has determined anything based on any submissions. No lower state court or lower Federal court is willing to hear any of this. And that is for several reasons, the primary one being that they understand that the resolution lies with the Congress and not in their court.
You believe that a judge looks to find the truth of all matters that come before them. Judges are political animals and in this very special circumstance they are not going to go there. Its bigger than they, and there would be sever consequences of the political and personal kind if they did. They will leave that to others, its just not their job.
I do not know what goes on in NZ but it does not compute here in the U.S.A.
Incomplete thinking does no one any good, just serves to keep things in a state of chaos.
Questioner: “One question: If it was not until after January 20 that a court found that Biden did not win the election in the swing states and thus not in all of America by accepting the irrefutable evidence, can impeachment proceedings against Biden be carried out safely?”
By that time, very little will be safe in the way of carrying on sensibly in this country.
It seems to me that it’s by design that this C19 event (now any flu will do as long as official experts can carry the momentum of fear), a long-cultivated tool of control by fear, medicine (filling a psychological vacuum left by religion in our secular society) coincides with the awakening of Americans that their elections have been stolen for quite some time. I am a Californian. Edward knows what I’m talking about, he is eloquent.
It is apparent to me that Americans are now living in a state of lawlessness, and have been since March. That this calculated state of lawlessness arrives at the same time as an election disputed between two candidates that most Americans think stink anyway but they are angry, and who are confused as to the actual principles and philosophies those candidates represent … is by design, I think, so some things might be anticipated.
I pray (I am a Christian) for Americans in cities, dependent on infrastructure for food and water. Those who live where they have geography that can feed and water on its own, the local population, should be better off. I remind myself that 2,000 years from now, it ain’t gonna matter much.
janyuary:
I wasn’t raised a Christian and I wouldn’t call myself a Christian (but at least I was baptized). Maybe I’m still walking the path of Lin Wood, who knows who really found God when he was older?
But I am not a philosophical materialist like a lefty. I tend to philosophical idealism. I believe in an otherworldly mental force from which this world emerges, which we can perceive. I also believe in the existence of evil. I am a passionate anti-communist in that regard.
But I agree with you that the ungodliness (generally interpreted as a lack of belief in an otherworldly power) of a large mass of people, especially the ruling elite, is a major problem in modern states. The void is filled by the state (and politics), which leads to inhumane politics (see Covid-19 case) and loss of freedom, even if exactly the opposite is proclaimed by the left.
I have to admit something else here: I don’t particularly like Trump as a person (let’s say this far), especially his way of speaking. But it does not matter. I acknowledge his heroic role which he plays to the fullest in the fight against internationalists and for the self-determination of nations / peoples. Trump’s enemies are mine too. In addition, I have a keen sense of justice triggered by this clear and massive electoral fraud.
Questioner: “I also believe in the existence of evil.”
Me too, brother. I have been in its presence. If it looks like evil and acts like evil (masks, social distancing) then it is probably evil. Communism is obligated to obliterate all religion in order to operate, and it is doomed to fail because free choice, God-given, is required for the survival of homo sapiens. People confuse “Survival of the fittest” with “survival of the most ruthless,” and that is as false in biology as it is in society. Survival accompanies adaptation, and mercy helps humans immensely in adaptation; death accompanies lack of mercy, or ruthlessness as it eventually depletes its reserves and dies. Personally, I view evolution (discerning the dif between hypothesis and theory) as intelligent design, perfectly in harmony with our natural world: adapt and survive, fail to adapt and perish. Spacy stuff here, but hey I am a native born Californian.
“The enemy of my enemy is my friend.” I have often wondered over the past decade, how many civilizations that fell for that logical fallacy, never made it into the history books.
One that rings true, especially regarding Trump: “Live by the sword, die by the sword.”
Questioner, I meant to say that I view evolution as being perfectly in harmony with my spiritual world as a Christian. It is intelligent design.
One more thing (like Columbo) — the election fraud is very real and it has reached a tipping point after several decades of operation. Like the C19 virus, I ignore the data because my eyes and common sense serve that purpose better in this instance. I know C19 is a phony threat because a) I’ve experienced real pandemics in densely populated areas and b) I can do arithmetic. The same with election fraud except that I was eyewitness to it at my voting place finally, confirming three decades (first suspected it in early 1990 in So Cal) of seeing elections and propositions especially go sideways when everything in my real world indicated that folks in general would vote otherwise. Now I view elections as kabuki theater and treat them accordingly, because the fix is in long before ballots are cast.
As Edward says, it is all exquisitely “legal” through legislation. Any politician who calls him or herself a “law makers” should be run out on a rail tarred and feathered. As my smart better half points out, “They are elected representatives. When they decide their job is to make laws, all they do is create more ways for people to become outlaws.” And he’s right, Good King Newsom here in California, and his posse of “lawmakers,” have passed 371 new classifications of “outlaw” in California.
Mr. Z.,
–I would concur; this is going to be concluded on the 6th, and Biden will be installed, for all the reasons you state.
–Care to comment on the effect of the 17th Amendment in all this? I mean– why do we need a Senate, if they no longer represent their respective State’s?
It took 100 years to get to this point, one step forward two steps back, and now they…. won.
Cotour-
(from “3 USC Ch. 1: PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS AND VACANCIES”)
Ҥ17. Same; limit of debate in each House:
When the two Houses separate to decide upon an objection that may have been made to the counting of any electoral vote or votes from any State, or other question arising in the matter, each Senator and Representative may speak to such objection or question five minutes, and not more than once; but after such debate shall have lasted two hours it shall be the duty of the presiding officer of each House to put the main question without further debate.”
§18. Same; parliamentary procedure at joint meeting:
“While the two Houses shall be in meeting as provided in this chapter, the President of the Senate shall have power to preserve order; and no debate shall be allowed and no question shall be put by the presiding officer except to either House on a motion to withdraw.”
The only way this morph into the Congress choosing the electors
“A Case for Anarchism: Governments Should Not Exist.”
Michael Malice and Lex Fridman
October 2020
https://youtu.be/gx4H6ZlV_vE
15:10
“People who need leaders aren’t fit to choose them”
whoops—-
The only way this morphs into the Congress choosing the President/VP, is if the electoral votes from a sufficient number of States, are disqualified, and we all know that is not happening.
Jordan Peterson / Akira the Don
“Wishes” 2018
https://youtu.be/dDIx31vJ6yk
5:12
“You have to want what you’re wishing for, but you have to make the proper sacrifices to get it.”
Anyone know any politician, who is willing to sacrifice anything?
janyuary–
Hoppewave
Absurdistan The Music Video
https://youtu.be/8CvbDOJT1ro
4:33
In 2008 the people introduced to the concept of corporations too big to fail. Now in 2020 the people are introduced to the concept of crimes too big to fail. What’s next.
mpthompson asked: “In 2008 the people introduced to the concept of corporations too big to fail. Now in 2020 the people are introduced to the concept of crimes too big to fail. What’s next.”
Government too big to question.
I, Robot (2004)
“Whose Revolution?”
https://youtu.be/hrGco_ztJkw
2:16
“That Detective, is the right question…”
The only action of any consequence is a Georgia voter rejecting the polls and the Democratic Party control of the entire federal government. The rest is just polititions doing what polititions do..taking a stand after an issue has been decided…Senators passing gas.
Here is a statistical data analysis of all 3000 counties with regard to the voting recording system used. With a clear result.
“Biden Got 5% More Votes With Dominion Machines!”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTm2z6P_PM8
Trump Calls Georgia Sec of State RaffenSperger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TheOst_UXfE
Kathy C: “Trump already knows the truth…he’s allowing self incrimination!”
Commenter Corey Springer: “This is an incredible conversation. This is history.”
pnk67floyd: “The world is watching and the world is pissed off!!!”
Trump Calls Georgia Sec of State RaffenSperger
. . .
pnk67floyd: “The world is watching and the world is pissed off!!!”
If the world listened to the full call as I did, more like:
The world rolls its eyes and shakes its head, and is thankful it’s nearly over.
Andrew_W:
You fail in every way with your views.
Btw, it had only just started. The corrupt traitors in the Republican Party will pay the price for their betrayal. Maybe not just politically. Trump even gave them another chance to correct things with that call. These people didn’t use it.
Commenter Tom King: “Raffensperger is going to have a terrible week.”
Commenter Magnetic1884: ” Trump sounds like a mom that caught her kid lying, but wants to give them a chance to fess up before she brings out the shoe.”
David Shafer: “The audio published by @TheWashingtonPost is heavily edited and omits the stipulation that all discussions were for the purpose of settling litigation and confidential under federal and state law.”
David Shafer: “President @realDonaldTrump has filed two lawsuits – federal and state – against @GaSecofState. The telephone conference call @GaSecofState secretly recorded was a “confidential settlement discussion” of that litigation, which is still pending.”
https://twitter.com/DavidShafer/status/1345868002026205184?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1345868002026205184%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rt.com%2Fusa%2F511448-trump-georgia-lawsuit-call%2F
More details on what happened on this call in detail. God save President Trump who is a great fighter:
https://www.rt.com/usa/511448-trump-georgia-lawsuit-call
“White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, conservative lawyer Cleta Mitchell, and Georgia-based attorney Kurt Hilbert were on Trump’s end of the receiver, while Raffensperger was joined by his office’s attorney Ryan Germany and Deputy Secretary of State Jordan Fuchs.”
“The call lasted about one hour, and focused exclusively on the issue of election fraud, with Trump accusing Georgia electoral officials of not doing enough to uncover multiple alleged irregularities. The president has repeatedly referred to “shredded ballots” in Fulton County and elsewhere, and cited reports “of dead people” on voter rolls. He has also doubled down on his campaign claims that Dominion voting equipment was somehow involved in the plot to tip the vote in Biden’s favor, alleging in the call that the company was “moving fast to get rid of their machinery.” Germany, however, rejected the assumption, answering “No” when asked if that was the case.
Throughout the conversation, Trump insisted that he had won the state by a large margin, in contrast to the 11,779 votes by which he officially lost.”
Commenter Tom King: “Raffensperger is going to have a terrible week.”
Commenter Magnetic1884: ” Trump sounds like a mom that caught her kid lying, but wants to give them a chance to fess up before she brings out the shoe.”
Yes, you see those sorts of comments, that attitude to punish people who stand for the principles of democracy over the ravings of a man who, given the chance would be nothing short of a dictator as laudable don’t you? You’ve no comprehension how the actions Trump advocates, overruling the the vote and threatening those that stand for the integrity of the electoral system, are the first steps of a country falling into dictatorship.
Fortunately, while I had doubts for a while that the US system was robust enough to stand up to an American Franco or Pinochet, after watching events over the last month my confidence is restored.
Life, Liberty & Levin
1/3/21
https://youtu.be/wwbcMDsCI7g
41:22
I’ll try and make this short–
We all know there has been fraud, to varying degrees, in most every election (from dog-catcher to President), since the founding of the Republic. Anyone who doesn’t think so, knows very little of our history. (This is partially why Americans have always hated politicians, and the reason that power, at all levels of government, was intentionally dispersed in the manner it was. )
The question at hand is a lot simpler than election-fraud; Only a State legislature can alter election laws & procedures, prior to an election.
A Court can’t do it, the Secretary of State can’t do it, terms of bizzaro consent-decrees can’t do it, etc., etc., etc. Only laws passed by a vote of the State legislature can do it.
In the battleground States, in particular, we know for a fact that procedures and existing laws already in effect in each of these States, were changed prior to the election in November, by people & entities who were not the State legislature. Therefore: those State electoral votes are null and void.
However….getting the RINO’s and progressive-statists to object, in proper fashion, appears to be impossible, and therefore Biden will be installed as President, and the transformation will be complete.
Welcome to Obama’s Amerika, land of the formerly free.
““Biden Got 5% More Votes With Dominion Machines!””
You fail to mention that that statistical anomaly, that + 5% for Biden, happened in solid RED / Republican districts. No need for Dominion in reliably Blue districts.
The Dominion machines were reliably installed mostly in Red districts. And that is not by mistake and that is evidence IMO of collusion between Dominion and the many Democrat operatives who had them installed.
The United States election system has been systematically compromised by the Democrats by design and that is just one more arrow in their political warfare quiver. They just play the game harder and they want it more: “BY any means necessary”. Take that to heart, its real and it has been manifest by the Democrats.
Andrew W: Americans are not as politically obedient as NZers. Your country is filled with more sheep than people as I understand it. I think you may want to sell the majority of them off to the Chinese, your new and growing in strength masters. (And under a Biden administration they will certainly grow even more in strength, then what will you do?)
Because you personally have apparently been around that mass of sheep DNA too long and are now much like them.
Your population might consider wearing masks in order to filter it all out. Come to think of it, Covid and the mandating of wearing a mask may have a positive side effect.
Cotour:
Thanks for the clarification. I like your sheep comments too!
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“Raffensperger Faces ESPIONAGE Charges!”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Horc1SaGGMQ
Quick question for all the commenters who one million percent positive there was fraud, and are so committed and invested in the evidence uncovered.
Why aren’t you folks representing Trump in court rather than kraken LLP? They are getting absolutely demolished.
I have a good friend, and every time I engage in a political conversation with him, and he is not for one second prepared to have a real political conversation specifically with me, ALWAYS say something like:
“Why aren’t you folks representing Trump in court rather than kraken LLP? They are getting absolutely demolished.”
A totally distractionary tactic based in a very weak and unsupportable argument. A tactic of desperation and not based in anything consequential or relevant to the conversation ongoing. None what so ever.
Good luck with that, maybe you will have better luck with it than my friend has with it.
The Dominion machines were reliably installed mostly in Red districts. And that is not by mistake and that is evidence IMO of collusion between Dominion and the many Democrat operatives who had them installed.
The non-random installation of these machines that you mention provides a legitimate explanation as to why the greater swing in districts using the machines, a district that voted 30% democrat last time can more easily vote 35% democrat this time than a district that voted 93% Democrat last to can then vote 98% this time. In the former only 7% of those who didn’t vote democrat need switch to create the overall 5% swing, in the latter 71% of non-Democrat voters need to switch their vote to create that 5% swing.
This also would explain the non uniform swing with all the machines in the video. I can’t be sure that’s what happened but I haven’t seen anything that refutes it.
Americans are not as politically obedient as NZers.
That’s wrong, NZ voters are far more likely to switch their party vote from one election to the next than Americans are.
Because you personally have apparently been around that mass of sheep DNA too long . . .
Hahaha /. . . sarc.
Actually, I’ve less loyalty to my flock than you have to yours, I rarely hesitate to disagree with my political chums.
Cotour:
My point exactly – I’ve tried to break-down these claims into single issues and try to hash through it on this board, but it always devolves into obfuscation and vituperative. No one seems to want to engage in good faith.
No one can admit the evidence is flawed, despite a 1-60 record by the courts of this country. That plain fact cannot pierce through the wall of this inverse world, where facts are fraud, corruption is heroism and the treatment is the disease. I never had a chance.
Questioner: “The corrupt traitors in the Republican Party will pay the price for their betrayal. Maybe not just politically. Trump even gave them another chance to correct things.”
I was watching — was paying a lot of attention — after participating for years and years in political discussion online and in social circles, by working folks who leaned politically right. In 2014, the idea of Trump ever running for president as a Republican came up in discussion sometimes as a joke and it was always good for a snicker, that Republicans would never be that gullible. Smart Republicans and conservatives prior to 2016 scorned Trump for the Hillary supporter and friend that he was. Trump got the nomination and the presidency because of corrupt traitors in the Republican party.
Reality trumps wishful thinking in the real world.
Trump got the nomination and the presidency because of corrupt traitors in the Republican party.
So it’s the Trumpists that are the corrupt traitors!!
Well, no, that doesn’t quite follow, because perhaps Trump is not the Democrat he was portrayed to be, or perhaps he’s changed.
Personally I think too many Republicans are throwing terms like “traitor” around, in the real world political parties have diversity within them, and that’s healthy for them, it’s the real anger and hatred and vitriol directed at other big sections within the party that’s unhealthy, and will hurt the party for quite some time.
Shanghai-Mitch, you fake conservative, not so fast!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMdr7lPh6Cs
Comment Pete Jersic: “Mitch is nothing short of a traitor. Turning his back on the American People when they have been so severely wronged. Vote all of these dinosaurs out of office. WAKE UP”
Welcome to Obama’s Amerika.
In 2008, Republicans and conservatives put up John McCain (Gang of Eight traitor to Republicans) as the alternative to support over Obama. In 2012, Republicans and conservatives put up Mitt Romney (already the implementer of America’s first state-run mandatory health insurance branded “care” in Massachusetts and believer in man-caused global warming) as the alternative to support over Barack Obama.
Welcome to Republicans’ and conservatives’ Obama Amerika, I say as a 40-year-long registered [former] Republican and self-described conservative. Relying on the folks that got us here to get us out, is the embodiment of Einstein’s definition of insanity. I hope all are prepared to learn from the past and keep our eye on the great future that Mr. Z’s page here promises, and part of that is by seeing more clearly the direction, goal, and the obstacles.
wayne,
Well said.
Edward-
You just keep on reminding us all, of that factoid!
–tangentially–just received my winter property-tax bill, it doubled compared to last year.
wayne wrote: “–tangentially–just received my winter property-tax bill, it doubled compared to last year.”
Yeah. Lockdown/shutdown/smackdown/Great Oppression governments are running low on cash, and they think that they can take it from those that they have impoverished. Where is Robin Hood or Zorro when we need them?
Tom Cotton, the new Paul Ryan?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9110297/Rising-GOP-star-Tom-Cotton-not-join-Republican-senators-planning-challenge-Bidens-victory.html
That what it looks like. Too bad, he may be one of the first to go.
That is unless it won’t matter who votes in elections in the future if this 2020 election is not properly resolved and a proper investigation be done, with consequences.
The court ruling in Wisconsin to redress illegal ballets has matured to action, this Thursday.
https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/2021/related/proposals/ar3
“Never, EVER, GIVE UP!” – Donald Trump (@realDonaldTrump) Top 10 Rules
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI4l4wcSS2w
Questioner: If Trump is saying “Never ever give up!” …. he is talking just like a Republican, “leading” by talking about what he’s not gonna do, using map of how not to get there to reach a destination.
“GIVE UP” is the operative phrase.
Language tells things about those who speak it and it achieves ends for those who respect it. I sure look forward to when folks start opening their minds to this reality, because they they will begin to help the cause of liberty and self-ownership in America.