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January 14, 2022 Zimmerman/Batchelor podcast

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Conscious Choice cover

Now available in hardback and paperback as well as ebook!


From the press release: In this ground-breaking new history of early America, historian Robert Zimmerman not only exposes the lie behind The New York Times 1619 Project that falsely claims slavery is central to the history of the United States, he also provides profound lessons about the nature of human societies, lessons important for Americans today as well as for all future settlers on Mars and elsewhere in space.

Conscious Choice: The origins of slavery in America and why it matters today and for our future in outer space, is a riveting page-turning story that documents how slavery slowly became pervasive in the southern British colonies of North America, colonies founded by a people and culture that not only did not allow slavery but in every way were hostile to the practice.  
Conscious Choice does more however. In telling the tragic history of the Virginia colony and the rise of slavery there, Zimmerman lays out the proper path for creating healthy societies in places like the Moon and Mars.


“Zimmerman’s ground-breaking history provides every future generation the basic framework for establishing new societies on other worlds. We would be wise to heed what he says.” —Robert Zubrin, founder of founder of the Mars Society.


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  • BtB’s Original Mark

    Another solid week for the John Batchelor Show including Mr. Z.’ contributions. In addition to what Bob covers here on BtB, I’ve listened to other guests discuss Kazakhstan; Ukraine / Russia / NATO; China; and the Energy Crisis in Europe.
    Many of these stories have an indirect effect on space exploration.
    For example, for Kazakhstan, one of Russia’s spaceports is located in Baikonur, Kazakhstan. About two months ago Bob covered the story of the UAE providing funding towards a joint project with Russia & Kazakhstan to upgrade the oldest Soyuz launchpad at Baikonur. So now you know that at least some of your additional gasoline expenses are going towards space launches in Kazakhstan:)
    In regards to Ukraine, as Bob has reported on Jan 1, if tensions between the US & Russia escalate high enough over the Ukraine crisis, this would most likely affect the US Russian joint operation of the ISS.
    Moving on to the subject of China, Gordon G Chang is one of Batchelor’s China Experts. There are numerous economic, military, and political developments in China that will have some type of effect on the Chinese Space Program.
    This goes to show that BtB Space stories just don’t exist in isolation, but are very much connected to Geopolitics, History, and the current Global Economic trends.

  • Phil Adair

    Thank you Robert for sharing your insight and perspectives on such a variety of subjects. I look forward each week to hearing you on John Bachelor’s podcast and reading your articles on Behind the Black. I too grew up watching our country’s space programs develop over the years and so appreciate having you keep us all up to date as space programs evolve from government run to commercial space. These are truly exciting times. Thank you again, you’re doing the Lord’s work!

  • Questioner

    A jump to another topic: I am happy for Dr. Kipping, who was looking for exomoons for so long without success that it now seems to have worked!

    We Discovered a New Exomoon Candidate!

  • BtB’s Original Mark

    Questioner – thanks for that link.
    From the exomoon wiki page – “For extrasolar giant planets orbiting within their stellar habitable zone, there is a prospect a terrestrial planet-sized satellite may be capable of supporting life.”

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