The actual state of the Ukraine War
Though nothing at this moment is certain, this update report yesterday from the Institute for the Study of War is likely the best quick summary, including a very informative map.
Russian operations to continue the encirclement of and assault on Kyiv have likely begun, although on a smaller scale and in a more ad hoc manner than ISW expected. The equivalent of a Russian reinforced brigade reportedly tried to advance toward Kyiv through its western outskirts and made little progress. Smaller operations continued slowly to consolidate and gradually to extend the encirclement to the southwest of the capital. Russian operations in the eastern approaches to Kyiv remain in a lull, likely because the Russians are focusing on securing the long lines of communication running to those outskirts from Russian bases around Sumy and Chernihiv in the face of skillful and determined Ukrainian harassment of those lines. The battle for Kyiv is likely to continue to be a drawn-out affair unless the Russians can launch a more concentrated and coherent attack than they have yet shown the ability to conduct.
The Russian military is clearly struggling to mobilize reserve manpower to offset losses and fill out new units.
Russia appears to be very very very slowly gaining ground, but meeting heavy resistance everywhere, while struggling with its own lagging logistics and cumbersome military.
What strikes me as most strange about this entire war is the relatively little use of air forces by either side. Russia’s air bombing efforts have paled compared to other recent wars.
The Ukraine’s has even been less active. Consider: Russia had a forty-mile-long convoy in plain sight backed up for days on the main road from Russia to Kiev. What a sitting target! The Ukraine apparently had no air force capability to hit it.
Based on the present known data, this war will drag on for a very long time, even if Russia eventually takes control of the Ukraine. In the meantime it has made itself a pariah with the rest of the world’s nations for its unjustified invasion of a neighboring country, not unlike Saddam Hussein’s invasion of Kuwait in 1990. This in turn is crashing the Russian economy.
All in all, even at its best a victory in this Russian war will be a Pyrrhic victory.
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Though nothing at this moment is certain, this update report yesterday from the Institute for the Study of War is likely the best quick summary, including a very informative map.
Russian operations to continue the encirclement of and assault on Kyiv have likely begun, although on a smaller scale and in a more ad hoc manner than ISW expected. The equivalent of a Russian reinforced brigade reportedly tried to advance toward Kyiv through its western outskirts and made little progress. Smaller operations continued slowly to consolidate and gradually to extend the encirclement to the southwest of the capital. Russian operations in the eastern approaches to Kyiv remain in a lull, likely because the Russians are focusing on securing the long lines of communication running to those outskirts from Russian bases around Sumy and Chernihiv in the face of skillful and determined Ukrainian harassment of those lines. The battle for Kyiv is likely to continue to be a drawn-out affair unless the Russians can launch a more concentrated and coherent attack than they have yet shown the ability to conduct.
The Russian military is clearly struggling to mobilize reserve manpower to offset losses and fill out new units.
Russia appears to be very very very slowly gaining ground, but meeting heavy resistance everywhere, while struggling with its own lagging logistics and cumbersome military.
What strikes me as most strange about this entire war is the relatively little use of air forces by either side. Russia’s air bombing efforts have paled compared to other recent wars.
The Ukraine’s has even been less active. Consider: Russia had a forty-mile-long convoy in plain sight backed up for days on the main road from Russia to Kiev. What a sitting target! The Ukraine apparently had no air force capability to hit it.
Based on the present known data, this war will drag on for a very long time, even if Russia eventually takes control of the Ukraine. In the meantime it has made itself a pariah with the rest of the world’s nations for its unjustified invasion of a neighboring country, not unlike Saddam Hussein’s invasion of Kuwait in 1990. This in turn is crashing the Russian economy.
All in all, even at its best a victory in this Russian war will be a Pyrrhic victory.
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Okay, here’s my guess:
1. Both sides can “paint” any target over Ukraine from AWACS type aircraft outside of Ukraine.
2. You get painted, you die.
3. Due to the similar technology and similar lack of fire discipline, the IFF of both sides sides is untrustworthy.
4. First guy that mounts a significant air strike campaign, loses bigly.
5. Answer – wait for the other guy to screw up.
Stealth? Ukraine has none, Russia has so few they cannot risk them.
Prove me wrong.
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Keeping in mind that when Trump left office gas was about $2.38 a gallon and inflation was 1.4%. Today? Gas as you well now know is going to $5.00 and will be going higher and inflation is currently 7.87%. Why? Joe Biden (D) by agenda has systematically from day one destroyed the U.S. oil / energy industry.
And Mr. Putin has made his move on Ukraine because Joe Biden is the weakest un and anti-American president in history. And believe it or not this is the desired result that helps fulfill the Looney Left, AOC, “Green New Deal” agenda. Your winning Democrats who voted for Joe. You’re winners!
Are you paying attention now? What will you do?
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Some talk of bio-weapons in Ukraine. Putin propaganda? Perhaps. But Hunter didn’t sell out to Russia. Rummy called it ‘old Europe’ for a reason.
Still, Putin poisoned his own nation’s reputation for yet another generation….nothing good has come out of this.
interesting take….
“How Russia Could Attack Britain – Ukraine War Special”
Mark Felton Productions
(March 10, 2022)
https://youtu.be/WNRUP-T01Ig
13:12
This is my opinion on what is happening:
1) The Russian army in Kiev is there to keep Ukrainian forces in that part of the country pinned down from sending reinforcements whilst their armies in the East are finishing off the Ukrainian army in the Donbass
2) Russia does not want to go into cities and slog urban combat, primarily because they are trying to minimise civilian casualties and also because they do not/can not pay billions in aid to repair the cities. All of their army operations have gone ‘around’ the cities and not into them. If the war gets to that point, they will definitely bring in heavy artillery and high-altitude bombing like we saw in Syria
3) Once the Ukrainians are finished in the Donbass and the south, these armies will move north to Kiev and then a final decision will have to be made – will the Ukrainian government surrender or die? it will be up to them.
It’s nice to see the swamp’s narrative of “Ukraine good, Russia bad” not being repeated here. Ukraine is allied with the swamp. Russia is allied with President Xi and the CCP. Both are against western civilization. But Putin is causing the swamp to panic because he exposing a lot of the swamp’s corruption in Ukraine. Panic is good. It causes them to make mistakes.
Ukraine does a lot of the swamp’s money laundering
• “Hunter Biden ‘was paid $83,333 a month by Ukrainian gas company”
• “McConnell (“Republican”) Ups Pelosi’s (Democrat) $10 Billion for Ukraine to $14 Billion – Where’s It All Going?”
Ukraine is a center of the swamp’s human trafficking
• “Ukraine Police warn sex trafficking gangs are preying on women and children by luring them with promises of somewhere to live”
American bio-weapons labs in Ukraine
• Tucker Carlson did a great segment on Bio-Weapons Labs in Ukraine (16 minutes). It’s a day or two old so slightly dated in the swamp’s constantly changing narrative.
https://rumble.com/vwz8eh-tucker-carlson-bio-weapons-labs-in-ukraine.html
I’m not surprised that the Ukrainian air force didn’t mount much of an attack on that stalled convoy. Their air bases took a heavy pounding. The convoy presumably has relatively potent ground based anti air, and the Russian air force would probably love to have that opportunity to engage the Ukrainians at known location over their own ground defenses.
On the flip side, the Russians are finding that even their most advanced fighter bombers can’t survive in the face of even relatively disorganized air defenses. We normally think of suppressing air defenses as going after the emplaced and tracked air defense vehicles, but in this case, the real problem is man portable SAM’s, which are proving highly effective. And the only real way to take those down is to send in the ground troops and deal with it man to man. I gather that the Russians simply have a lack of targets that are both within their capability to hit, and worth sending in an appropriately heavy force. There simply aren’t that many targets that are worth striking with that kind of firepower that aren’t also reachable by artillery.
JUST STARTED WATCHING THIS: CAN IT GET MORE INSANE?
It cannot get more real or insane than this.
Or can it!?
Trump interviewed by the NELK BOYS: https://rumble.com/embed/vuccsb/?pub=4
(Too cool millennial interview, banned on Youtube. We cannot have that)
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Confirmed Russian equipment destroyed. And these are believable numbers given the videos and images that are being live streamed:
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/11/11/55229411-10602157-image-a-55_1646996744889.jpg
Which adds up to 982 pieces of Russian hardware and equipment land and air in about 2 weeks of hostilities. How long can Putin sustain such losses and not be forced to “Retire”? 1 more week? 2 more weeks? 4 months?
How many estimated dead Russian soldiers dead?
982 X 2.5 soldiers? = 2455? At a minimum?
Not sustainable.
Cotour-
Soviet/Afghanistan invasion = about 15,000 soviet soldiers killed, 35,000 wounded.
James Street: While the Ukraine is hardly innocent of corruption, the bottom line remains: Putin and Russia invaded a neighboring country, without any legitimate provocation. In war the bad guy is always the one who starts it.
W:
That was a 10 year war. This is only 2 weeks old.
If the status quo remains then how long can Putin sustain this level of loss? Not long IMO.
Javelins and Stingers are very effective point, shoot and forget weapons.
Forget about jets from Poland and risking all out continental warfare, although Russia does not appear able to conduct such. Shoulder fired weapons, drones, ammo and food will stop out Putin.
At what point might Putin be pushed to where he sets off a mini nuke to shock the field? But Putin must be made to take heavy loses in order to get him “in the mood” to draw down.
Both Putin and Russia are now in a very bad state of existence, how does he reconnect with the civilized world? He / they are going to live isolated from 3/4ths of the world?
2 or 3 days and Zelenski “negotiating” from his safe house in Poland has turned into something not anticipated by Putin IMO.
A sticky situation to say the least.
What a mess. Winner..China.
I hope that we don’t lose focus on our true enemy, the PRC. I believe that Chinese sway over Big Tech was at the core of Big Tech’s involvement in the 2020 election. They are most dangerous in the non-kinetic world, but now that they have seen Putins use the nuclear threat, combined with their rapid growth of their nuclear forces, we will face a peer level threat while we are burdened with a President that is incapable of facing such a challenge.
Latest (March 10, 2022) estimate from US DOD/CIA is a confirmed Soviet death toll of at least 4000. That is conservative in my opinion. Ukraine has issued a Levee en Masse – something most legal and military scholars thought a dead letter – and become a nation at arms, They have remembered Churchill’s call to arms, “Take one with you”
Speaking of which, Olenka Zelenskova reminds me of Queen Elizabeth’s mother. After Buckingham Palace was bombed, she told her ladies in waiting, “I’m so glad the palace was bombed, I now feel I can look the (heavily bombed) East End in the face”. When it was suggested that Princesses Elizabeth and Margaret be evacuated to Canada., she replied, “The girls aren’t going unless I go, I’m not leaving my husband and the King will never desert his post”
And just what we need right now
“A missile was accidentally fired from India into Pakistan on Wednesday, caused by a “technical malfunction” during maintenance, the Indian Defense Ministry said.
The missile traveled 77 miles into Pakistani airspace before it crashed near the eastern city of Mian Channu. The missile’s flight path endangered passenger flights in both countries’ airspace, the Pakistani military said, according to the BBC.”
Both, of course, are nuclear powers
Consider that the group with the most to lose from a peaceful settlement are the Ukrainian oligarchs. If peace was declared and Russia got what it wants, a Ukraine that is not a part of the EU and NATO, then the people of Ukraine could resume their lives. No more fighting, no more deaths. Could even vote for elected leaders who answer to the voters. The only group that would be impacted would be Ukrainian oligarchs. The same group that contributes to making Ukraine such a corrupt place.
The Ukraine only had about 50 aircraft to risk and the convoy was defended by anti air units. Until the convoy moved or the anti air was taken care of it was safe where it was.
It has now broken up into smaller more manageable units so watch for it to start to get eaten a little at a time.
I was in the USAF years ago and this was the type of was we trained for.
We trained to turn European roads and highways into airbases in under 6 hours. We even trained to steal and use Soviet equipment.
I was one of the very very few who knew how to drive manual transmission so they assigned me to train the others.. About 25% didn’t even know how to drive before joining the service.
Do you really think Russian conscripts know what the heck is going on?
The Russians look and are acting way under trained.
As for the Russians bombing Ukrainian airbases. I do not think that they are hitting them very well. The Ukrainians are not asking for some very important materials that are needed to support their aircraft.
I have noticed several things about this airwar, Has anyone seen video of the Russian aircraft using chaff or flares? I have not looked hard but the quiet word is the Russians are having graft and supply corruption problems. Chaff and flare units that just do not work.
As a final note. I looked up the GDP of Russia, Its smaller than the GDP of New York state. And this nation thinks it can sustain a world class military? Without legacy nuclear weapons they are a paper tiger and they need to learn this lesson.
Steve Richter
Are you serious?
When was the last time the Russians got to elect who they wanted? In ANY election at any level?
Steve Richter:
“If peace was declared and Russia got what it wants, a Ukraine that is not a part of the EU and NATO, then the people of Ukraine could resume their lives. No more fighting, no more deaths.”
Amongst Russia’s demands are a “demilitarized” Ukraine, surely no one is so foolish as to think that that means freedom for Ukrainian’s?
“Amongst Russia’s demands are a “demilitarized” Ukraine, surely no one is so foolish as to think that that means freedom for Ukrainian’s?”
Like all good dictators, authoritarians and mass murderers, in the spirit of Mao, Stalin and Hitler, the people must NOT be armed, and the military must be symbolic if at all which is the mantra of the American Democrats and the Looney Left.
So what is there to do? The Left among us clearly transmit what they need and intend in order for their “Program” of “Helping” be instituted and so when they transmit it then the opposite is the solution for the people.
Ukraine? 2A, make sure everyone is armed, and there be made available if and when needed a healthy supply of ammo, Stinger and Javelin missiles, simple.
And if that condition had robustly existed Putin would NEVER had made his move. (I will miss Putin)
Trump made sure that condition existed, Biden did not, why? “Leadership”. And we all know that Joe is clearly compromised both within Ukraine via his son Hunter and Burisma and within Russia via that $3.5 million from the mayor of Moscows wife into Hunters company Rosemont Seneca.
“Hunter Biden is a capital investments professional with an interest in funding early-stage natural resource extraction and technology companies. In 2006, Biden and his uncle James Biden purchased international hedge fund Paradigm Global Advisors; Hunter was interim CEO of the fund.”
“Hunter Biden’s lawyer, George Mesires, told CNN that his client was not an owner of the firm, Rosemont Seneca Thornton.
“Hunter Biden had no interest in and was not a ‘co-founder’ of Rosemont Seneca Thornton, so the claim that he was paid $3.5 million is false,” Mesires told CNN.”
Hunters lawyer says its all false accusation, and we know that we need to put all out trust in what Hunter Bidens lawyers, any lawyer says. Nothing to see here, look away.
And you already know all about Burisma.
“The Ukrainian energy company that was paying President Biden’s son Hunter $1 million a year cut his monthly compensation in half two months after his father ceased to be vice president.” Nothing to see here either.
And that tells you all you need to know about Joe, Hunter and their interests and where they lie regarding your country. Joe Biden is now officially the most dangerous man on the planet and needs to be removed from office before he gets us all killed.
“Bennett advises Zelensky to surrender to Russia, Zelensky refuses – Ukrainian official”
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-701041
Q: When Iran achieves a functional nuclear weapon and the means to deliver it, with the help of John Kerry (D) and Joe Biden (D) and millions of Israelis lives literally hang in the balance, will Israel then surrender to Iran?
Hi!
Disclaimer – I’m in no way a military expert.
W. regards to the sitting duck convoy not being pounded by the UA’s airforce, as pointed out by others here:
– the airbases have been hit by cruise missiles in the early days;
– the cost of losing aircraft for an already weak ukraininan airforce to begin with might not be offset by the potential gain, because:
* vodka-drinkers have a habit of bringing with them short-range SAMs – Pantsir, Tunguska, Tor and probably lots of manpads like Strela/Igla/Verba; plus most likely the convoy is under the umbrella of long-range russian SAMs in Belarus or Russia on the lookout for any high-altitude planes that’d potentially drop guided stuff – if the ukrainians have any.
* proximity to enemy airbases in Russia / Belarus, enabling russian planes to take off with a more dangerous fuel / ordnance ratio; if I recall correctly, russian engines are kinda considered gas-guzzlers and the farther you need to go the less ordnance you can carry because you need more fuel onboard. This might work the other way around as well – whatever relatively intact ukraininan airbases may be left in the country’s western areas may be too far to allow for a meaningful weapons load.
– ground forces attacking a large-ish enemy force like that might be too risky as well; especially if the mujiks are escorted by attack helicopters. “Classic” – gun or MLRS – artillery strikes might also not be an option because if the russians have counter-battery radars then artillery strikes by ukrainians would turn into some sort of suicide mission, since the distance to that now-discovered battery would be covered pretty quickly by counter-battery fire or the aforementioned attack helos, and then escape by even self-propelled artillery/MLRS pieces would be next to impossible by hitting the road, the only option being to shot down the incoming Ka-52s.
Rumors regarding the russians sending Aistenok radars in Donbas: https://informnapalm.org/en/russian-counter-battery-radar-1l271-aistenok-detected-donbas/
Artillery strikes I think would need spotters somewhat close to the target area, either people or UAVs.
Ballistic-missile strikes against the column might be considered a waste, since a hit might not be guaranteed – don’t know what accuracy Ukraine’s Tochka missiles have. So those might be kept for larger, sprawling targets. There are rumors the Ukrainians hit an airbase in Russia with Tochkas.
One viable option to me would be waiting for smaller & more manageable units to be sent on various missions then ambushing those, as we’ve already seen.
Another option would be for the convoy to settle into one or more support / staging field bases and then hit those – guessing here that a base spread over a given surface might be a better suited target for artillery than a linear convoy on the road.
Yet another option and probably the most gruesome one would be urban warfare, once the enemy has entered various cities around Kiev or the capital itself.
Hi again,
In a perverted way Putin may have indeed been pushed into this by the EU / NATO expansion.
Because totalitarian regimes will always see themselves “cornered” by other – freer – nations. Because people living under the dictator would want to live like in the other nations – without being beaten to a pulp because they dared to criticize the regime.
So the dictator – while maintaining commercial relations with the other nations – would in time need to increase anti-free-societies propaganda, crack-down harder on any political opponents, try to surround their state with buffer-states run by the dictator’s puppets; and in the end waging war agains runaway buffer states, at least.
Ukraine in our case is just a runaway buffer state; the would-be puppet president – Yanukovich is rumored to be in Belarus awaiting his reinstatement.
The thing is, when millions of ukrainians have seen the West, having already had the Russian experience, of course they want their country to be run like the western ones. Even if Yanukovich’s ousting was in some way “orchestrated” / “enabled” by the West, that hypothetical “orchestration” made use of the large mass of ukrainians unhappy with the current russian empire’s inner workings.
Spontaneous or not, Ukraine’s move away from Moscow was bound to happen.
Owen Hayes:
“Russia does not want to go into cities and slog urban combat, primarily because” .. they don’t want to deal with the losses that come with street to street fighting. Urban Warfare favors the defender. 3 to 1 ratio is considered optimal for a general offensive operation. Urban goes up. The US Military went with (roughly) 5 to 1 when we cleaned out Fallujah. Mosul was larger.
Additionally, you need more of specific assets, like Combat Engineers because of the unique presentation of the urban battlefield. They may not have those in the numbers needed.
James Street
“It’s nice to see the swamp’s narrative of “Ukraine good, Russia bad” not being repeated here”
Your discussion looks at the entire situation through the lens of US domestic politics.
If Ukraine is so anti-western, then why were they trying to integrate with Europe.
The sex trafficking’s thing.. Based on what I have read, that is a rampant problem all over Eastern Europe. Ukraine is no exception, but I do not see the point of pointing them out specifically.
Ukraine does not want to be part of a Russian Empire. I can understand, and appreciate that position. That resistance on their part is all that matters. My opinion on the matter is irrelevant to those in DC. Do I think the money scams are bad? Sure. Is that enough to make we want to see an entire country become an extension of a new Russian Empire? No.
I should add, that, no, I do not think that we should get directly involved.
TGeorge
“Spontaneous or not, Ukraine’s move away from Moscow was bound to happen.”
I agree.
Did we try to influence outcomes? Sure. Was Putin also trying to influence outcomes? You bet. What we did not want to see was a repeat of Belarus, which had become a lapdog state. They are closer to the Russian people, so it is not that much of a surprise. Ukraine was always going to be tougher. If Yanukovich had stayed in power, and Ukraine had submitted sooner, we would not be talking about Ukraine today. I firmly believe we would be talking about Moldova or Lithuania.
The interview with Trump is interesting.
He points out that we have made China and Russia allies. He may be overstating it. I do not think China considers anyone an ally, but I think that they are more willing to work with Russia this point than they were previously.
A few weeks back I heard one of the talking heads (I do not remember who) on the Sunday political shows talking about Russia, China and the US, and how we “don’t want to be on the wrong side of that triangle”. Well, too late for that. It shows that the current admin in the White House does not understand how to manage themselves in a multi-polar world.
At this point, I do not think we can correct that problem, but work to change the nature of the problem instead.
Sippin:
Soros incredibly wants both Putin and Xi taken out, so they don’t “destroy our civilization”.
(What exactly does he mean or propose here? Assassination? Forced “Retirement”?)
But he left out of his wish list the one person that is his tool that has encouraged them both to do what they are in the process of doing, President Joe Biden!
https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/putin-ukraine-world-war-3-risk-by-george-soros-2022-03
That is the person that first must be “Taken out”, or at least neutered.
And that will happen I suspect if there is a midterm election allowed, early in 2023.
Joe Biden officially the most dangerous man on the planet and it is HE that needs to be “removed” from power.
Nothing Biden does is in the interests of America, as a matter of fact it is plain to see that he does the exact opposite, and I call that treason.
Cotour
I am not sure Biden is actually in control of anything, possibly not even his bladder. He is senile. He is not, I think, actually running things.
But he is the president.
Joe Biden possesses the power of the office of the president. He is the empowered Executive.
And that makes him a man of consequence, and that is a very sharp double-edged sword. Good bad or otherwise, and right now its bad. Very, very bad to the point that he and the political party that has installed him in that office have become existentially dangerous for everyone involved. And I mean everyone.
From his slippery incompetent weak lips and beady eyes our enemies are informed to some great degree about what they can and can not do. And its green lights all the way.
Biden does not lead he is not a leader, he is a Bovine Waste man, should be nowhere near the office of the president. Biden is commentating, he is much like a baseball commentator sitting in a box and from a distance he informs the people about what other people with real agendas / players are all about and are up to. He reacts he does not act and lead. He is hollow.
In it for the ego gratification and the money only, that is how he understands he has worth. All while he tells you how wonderful, compassionate and idealistic he is. Any one who continuously 1. Tells you how wonderful and compassionate they are and 2. Always has to yell about it the deeper in he gets, is dangerous. Especially if they are the president. Its a sign of weakness not strength. That is what he transmits and everyone reads exactly that.
If you are truly strong and compassionate then that is for other people to judge and say. And if you have to yell that means that you are over your head weak and incompetent and you are trying to get everyone to believe that you are strong and competent. (But they know you are not).
Joe Biden is way over his head, as is his vice president, and both are a very dangerous Leftist agenda dominated team and are giving our country away to those on the Left and empowering our mortal, existential enemies. And that becomes more and more apparent.
There are no mistakes being made. XL pipeline, Afghanistan, pushing “Green energy” and America being hamstrung while our enemies are running full bore not concerned like John Kerry (Jackass) about their carbon footprint. And now Ukraine.
Biden needs to be removed from office.
Cotour–
There’s about 6,000 people who actually “run the (Federal) government.” And they control roughly 9 million federal functionaries who control the rest of us.
Unfortunately, Trump did not have great success getting rid of these people. The last 4 years of the obama administration, hundreds-to-thousands of (left wing, nut-job) political appointees transitioned into the Civil Service, never to leave until they die or retire.
This is the 3rd obama term, and Biden is a figurehead.
@pzatchok – I’ve seen plenty russian aircraft – mostly helicopters, but a few fixed-wing also – deploying flares in YT videos, supposedly filmed in the Ukraine war.
@Steve Richter – would you care to elaborate on your intriguing logic w. regards to the oligarchs being the most impacted by PEACE in Ukraine?
I mean… I’ll go along with you, let’s say the country was pretty much run by oligarchs; this would mean the war destroyed most of their assets. And then a peace favorable to the russians would likely mean russian oligarchs – Putin’s acolytes – would start taking over assets from ukrainians.
As for free elections and elected officials who answer to the voters, maybe if you lived several years in a Russian-style “democracy” then you’d adjust your views on that democratic system.
I really look forward to hearing from you.
I proposed this possibility several weeks ago when I compared Putin’s slim and trim appearance in 2019 and his more bloated look today. That 30-foot-long meeting table is one big paranoid statement.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10606487/Is-Putin-suffering-roid-rage-Spies-suggest-bloated-appearance-drugs-effect.html
“Putin ‘is suffering ‘roid rage from steroid treatment for cancer’: Western spies believe his ‘increasingly erratic’ behaviour, bloated appearance and absurd social distancing for visitors is a result of medical treatment”
What would be the irony of all ironies if this is so?
Putin forced to come to Europe or even better The Mayo Clinic in America to be saved if indeed he is sick.
Think it can’t get any crazier? Don’t be silly.
Putin will go to China or even Cuba first.
But we just have to hint we have spies in those areas and his imagination will let himself die before going there.
OWNED, INCOMPETENT AND DOUBLE COMPROMISED
President Putin asks President Xi of China for military help as he becomes more bogged down in Ukraine as the Ukrainians inflict heavy Russian losses.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17935286/russia-asks-china-help-world-war-fears/
The meeting and conversation: Bejing Olymics 2022, between President Xi of China and President Putin of Russia.
XI: No, no, you go first and we will see the reaction to your invasion by America and the West, then I will go. Everything I am certain will work out in both our interests comrade, in the end we will dominate the planet. And besides we own Joe Biden through his son Hunter, if he does not pay off he is screwed, greedy bastard. Screw him and screw America!
Putin: OK then it is agreed, after you concluded the Olympic games I will move my men, we should take Ukraine within the week. I expect president Zelinski to flee with his wife and children like a little girl to Poland, should be a piece of cake.
XI: Yes, it is agreed. (Meanwhile President Xi is thinking: My economy is not as stable as people think and if the West really shuts down Putin economically because of his raw aggression then we will rethink our plans. The teachings of Sun Tzu requires caution here. We will own both Putin and America before all this is done, let us not be too hasty, time is our friend.)
Putin leaves China and moves ahead with his Strategic plans.
What will clearly compromised and totally incompetent related to Americas interests, Leftist controlled President Joe Biden (D) do? What will We The People do? And that is the real question here. War is not pretty and America projecting “political correctness” and weakness has encouraged and allowed this. What will we do?
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Here is a term most of you will not know. The “tooth to tail ratio”. This number is very very significant because it can reveal just exactly how little “tooth” the Russian Invasion in Ukraine really is.
This ratio only includes military personnel not civilians acting in the “tail”. The ratio is the number of NON combat personnel needed to support ONE Front Line Combat grunt.
The number of Troops committed to Ukraine is often sited as approx 200,000. Now factor into the thoughts here. JANEs produced a “disposition” map of the Russia forces massing for the invasion of Ukraine, on it were listed units I had never heard of before, BTGs.
This article is hugely informative:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battalion_tactical_group
The unit is actually just a “battalion”. The article says Russia is very proud to have stoop up a grand total of 170. Each Battalion represents the “teeth” of a Brigade. The rest of the Brigade is “tail”.
Now I counted the BTGs on that map and got to 55. Each BTG is 800 men if at full strength. That gave me the number 44,000.
Great, was that accurate? Did Russia invade with an effective fighting force of only 44,000 men?
Consider the idea of a 1-3 tooth to tail ratio. 44,000×4 1 BTG plus 3 battalions of support. You get a total force of 176,000. Oh Holy Mother of Gawd. My count was accurate enough. FYI a 1 to 3 tooth to tail ratio is really, woefully inadequate.
Here is a really good PDF on the matter. One of those texts that they use to teach officers at the Army War College.
https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA472467.pdf
Putin is insane. The Russian generals are dedicated to feeding him exactly what he wants to hear. Putin has been listening to The West back down from him over and over again with all manner of verbiage indicating that The West thinks he is the biggest mightiest “boogie man” the world has seen since the days of the old USSR.
Putin never, I think truly understood the “plague” that is The Fake News Media. He has bought a fairy tail wrapped in a lie, and distributed in a package made of half truths.
1 – 3 tooth to tail. You see the numbers. I am not wrong. A leading edge Combat Line of only 44,000 men. You CAN’T besiege even a small town with 44,000 mean. You can’t cover the territory.
Zhukov in WWII had an Army of 2 MILLION to wage the battle of Berlin. IF he had a 1 – 3 tooth to tail ratio Zhukov had 500,000 to wage his battle, and he lost nearly half of it. Berlin had the same population as Kyiv.
If Putin continues with this massive mess of an offensive he will be lucky if his “army” does not do it’s best imitation of Custer at The Little Big Horn.
A message from the boys that fought the American civil war for President Putin:
“When the conflict started, most young men believed it would be over in a few weeks. Four years and 600k lost lives later, the event had much longer lasting implications.”
Video: Based Brother dropping some truth bombs (2 minutes)
• In 1991 we promised Russia NATO would not expand beyond Germany.
• We lied.
• Zelensky believed we were on his side.
• So did the Kurds.
https://media.128ducks.com/file_store/b201bb3250d025c8f14b5263a5afc436c376f88e33aeb2aec3e48546f38b2c78.mp4
Andrew M. Winter, with that sort of tooth to tail ratio it’s certain that the entire army is included, but that would include personnel manning fixed facilities far from the combat zone (training, admin, fixed repair and maintenance facilities), of those deployed to the “exercises” a far higher ratio would have been tooth. Possibly the issues apparent in Russian logistics might indicate that the majority actually deployed are combat forces.
BIDENS / DEMOCRATS WEAKNESS WILL COST US ALL
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Joe Biden and the Liberal now Leftist dominated Democrat party machine will cost all Americans our standing in the world and ultimately our freedom.
* Biden / Democrat policies that have created in one-year massive inflation now standing at an official number of 7.9% which is probably in real terms closer to 20%.
* Biden pledging to shut down the American oil industry. Hue Hewitt on Joe Biden pledging to shut down America oil, which he has done. https://youtu.be/iAJ5-93AcVQ
* Economic policies that promote America losing world reserve currency status.
* Projecting weakness to the world and green lighting Putin to invade and kill their neighbors in Ukraine.
* Pushing China to attempt to create an alternative to American currency reserve status and giving the green light to China to take over Taiwan. Will the Chinese create a reason to “Save” the Taiwanese from some internal threat like the “Nazi” threat Putin has proposed he is saving the Ukraine from?
You see it America its all playing out right in front of your own disbelieving eyeballs live and in living color. Joe Biden, projecting weakness, confusion chaos and the Leftist agenda, and it isn’t good. This is political warfare of the first order America.
First positive thing on the list? Remove Joe Biden from office and remove the Democrat party machine’s un and anti American political power.
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Good American Russia / Ukraine invasion analysis:
https://youtu.be/liKtIsMoPoA
The West uses its media power to deceive and lie to the Western public about the true status of the war, which Ukraine has long since lost. Russia wins the war relatively easily despite a troop disadvantage of 1:3 (190,000 Russians to 600,000 Ukrainians). Here is the analysis.
Westener faces the reality.
“Scott Ritter Talks About Russian Operations in Ukraine on Fault Lines 3-14-22”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuZEziAeTcI
Abandoned and destroyed equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kherson region
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FImTWztHv0
Questioner:
How about if Putin cannot sew this thing up in the next say two weeks he goes on “Vacation”?
Putin’s army and its leadership have very badly embarrassed him.
Putin has put his country is a difficult position in the short term at the minimum. And I am certain that he believes that his fate lies with president Xi. Who will in time own him and Russia.
Our biggest problem? Joe Biden and the Democrat and RINO now traitors that surround and guide him. He must go.
Russian paratroopers in a battle with Ukrainian nationalists seized anti-tank systems and other weapons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alhl589Mhwg
Humanitarian assistance to residents of the Dergachevsky district of the Kharkiv region
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXjjmo85pZQ
Ukrainian front, morning of March 16, with real battle map
Colored red area: already conquered by the Russians, red dashed area: fought over, blue dashed area: encircled main army of the Ukrainians
Using subtitles may give a little help understanding.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljX7CWuL_5E
The Duran: “Jake Sullivan fails to split China & Russia. China warns US on Taiwan”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dK6iDnhGiA
What many in the “West” cannot understand: It is part of the Russian way of working to fight a war and be able to negotiate at the same time. The latter is not an admission that one has failed in the former. Both are means of politics (Clausewitz). The Russians will go to war until they achieve their political goals. Nothing more or less. Or that won’t be very long.
End of the dollar as the world’s dominant reserve currency and end of export US inflation to the world (and US exploitation of it)! Yeah!
“Saudi Arabia considers ditching the dollar for Chinese oil sales”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5onB09SS1dE
The Western media’s false portrayal that Russia is allegedly losing the war has the purpose of preparing a false flag operation on the part of the West (probably in relation to the alleged use of chemical weapons) in order to create the pretext that that NATO can invade Ukraine. The western narrative of lies is: because the Russians are losing, they must use chemical weapons. That’s exactly what America did back then in Syria and Iraq. This is of course playing with fire that can lead to World War III.
“War in Ukraine (16.03 at 11:00): how the Armed Forces of Ukraine “advanced” on the Internet, and were defeated on the battlefield ”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLbQCnKvZoQ
Questioner:
2 weeks from yesterday, 3/15/22, Putin “Retires” or finds a way to retreat back to Russia as his economy implodes and then it explodes.
https://youtu.be/OG10q77PPSA
“Ukraine offers, then rejects, neutral status like Austria or Sweden (Live)”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyjR35qFPMg
Q:
This is what I see: Russia the aggressor taking extremely heavy losses due to their bad inept planning and an army that is reticent to act and is executing brutal military Strategy in order to shock the country they have invaded without justifiable cause into surrender and subjugation:
https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/78/590x/secondary/3946418.jpg?1646238931843
And this is what you see: The Russian army saving Ukraine from themselves and providing aid to the Ukrainian people:
https://newswep.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Russian-military-delivered-30-tons-of-humanitarian-aid-to-Ukraine.jpg?is-pending-load=1
Guess who’s judgement I trust?
Russian Military Takes Control of Another Ukrainian Base Near Mariupol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKK5GQFhzI4
BBC News Re-Creation (Part 1 of 14)
Friday September 1, 1939
https://youtu.be/8cK_sC22NTQ
14:29
“Germany has invaded Poland, fighting has begun in Europe. Warsaw has been bombed, casualties have been heavy, but Poland is fighting back. Mr. Chamberlain has sent an ultimatum to Hitler. Hitler tells Reichstag he is fighting for the resurrection of Germany. In Britain all three services have been ordered to mobilize and are ready. The evacuation of the main cities has been going to plan, and the blackout has begun. German diplomats prepare to leave. BBC television closed down until further notice….”
KRUGMAN: POLITICAL TOOL AND FRAUD (I wrote and sent this for and to a Dem friend who thinks Biden is doing just fine last time I checked, and he always sits Krugman who I detest)
The political tool and fraud that is Paul Krugman:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/14/opinion/biden-putin-gas-prices-inflation.html
Paul has an opinion: I assume he is one of the 17 Nobel Laureates that Biden always sites?
Gas prices at the end of the Trump administration: Average about $2.39 to $2.50.
What did you just pay for gas when you filled up last in March, 2022? $4.75 Wolfs Lane, Pelham NY. (Do the math, you can figure this out)
All a direct result of Joe Bidens attack on the U.S. oil / gas / energy industry day 1 in office via trying to irrationally fulfill the Leftist Democrat “Green New Deal” agenda. Putin? What ever price increase in gas or anything else right now is due entirely to market fears and anticipating chaos and confusion in the world, primarily due to the inept and incompetent anti American leadership coming directly from the White House and Joe Biden.
Just one more idealistic Liberal now Leftist “Compassionate” Democrat party machine un and anti American Jackass.
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Red Pill Coach
His topics are:
1. The basics of abductive reasoning.
2. The situation in Kharkov, Ukraine.
3. The Russian attack in Western Ukraine.
4. The current state of the Zelensky regime.
5. Saudi Arabia begins to de-dollarize, which is an existential crisis for the United States.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6XvLVAuhgo
Two weeks.
“Psaki warns India. Boris goes to Saudi Arabia. Poland wants NATO in Ukraine. Update”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH2D86StMOM
Maybe if SA “de-dollarizes” that will make the libs re-think energy independence.
At this point, that may be a good thing (in the long run. Short term, a lot of people will lose money).
I am all in favor of energy independence.
Oh, and IF we gain that independence AND at the same time. become a supplier to Europe, that is not going to be good for SA or OPEC in general.
I mentioned before, his analysis sounds like a 2nd year International Politics/Affairs student.
I wonder if any more of his vids have been picked up by Russian Propaganda. They really like his stuff.
A also wonder if Putin’s deal with Xi is as such: Russia takes the Ukraine: Causes a Ruckus. China takes Taiwan, get the world wrapped up in a regional conflict. Russia takes the Balkans. Western world retracts in defeat. China takes ownership of South China Sea. Russian takes..
You may see the general pattern. I may have the places and timing a little off, but while not relying on each other, still helping the other.
Ukrainian Military hardware seized and handed over to Pro-Russian separatists
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojHHjqTCjDw
In a post above I mentioned the assumption made by a talking head that we are in essentially in a tri-polar world (US-RU-CH). I do not 100% agree with that assessment, as I think Russia is not the power they were in the Soviet days… yet. Others also mention Iran, but they are purely a regional power. But given enough room, Putin can rebuild a Russian Empire to match his dreams.
I ran across this editorial from late Feb.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/eu-must-organise-itself-as-a-real-continental-power-or-face-oblivion-verhofstadt-1.4813256
I agree with his basic premise. (He refers to India as a super-power, I think their are more of a regional power as well.)
There was another similar post from his party, RenewEurope, outlining the same concept.
If we do not want to be “on the wrong side of the triangle” as the pundit suggested, then I counter-posit that the solution is not making friend or ally with one of the other powers. We are too different ideologically. However, an economically and militarily strong EU changes the game.
NATO has become a flaccid reactionary tool. Right now, it is keeping Putin’s ambitions to Ukraine. I cannot see that lasting, with China and Russia already showing more signs of cooperation. China is smart enough not to make themselves dependent on Russia, but will be happy to benefit from Russia’s pressure on the rest of the world. A militarily strong EU replacing NATO seems like the logical choice. Allied and sharing tech with the US ensure dominance.
From a US point of view, depending on a collection of countries that do not see fit to contribute to their own defense, the perennial problem with NATO, is not sustainable. Trump was right: They need to ante up or be left to their own devices. Why should the US stand by treaty requirements when the other members do not stand by theirs. In the face of true aggresion it is going to fratcure along those lines. Therefore, force the EU’s hand to consolidate and strengthen.
It will have little to no bearing on the current crisis. If the EU reacts in such a manner that accepts responsibility for their common defense, however, it may mean this is the last such crisis for a while . Right now, their Common Defense Policy is built around crisis reaction because the Cold War was long over when the the Lisbon Treaty was ratified in 2009. There was no need for a robust defense as in the prior decades. Times have changed.
My proposed solution is a long term one, that adds a vertex to the power balance. It is, admittedly, a product of a mind raised during the cold war. However, based on everything I am seeing, we are on the brink of a new cold war. When the Ukraine crisis ends, however it ends, there will be no return to normality. Russia is out of the Council of Europe. The sanctions are already wreaking economic havoc. Putin has declared an end to the respect of international precepts of intellectual property (something China barely gives lip service as they steal). The ISS is nearing the end of life, and there seems no desire to create a new binding agreement in space. And so on. Lines are being drawn. I think he wants it this way, personally. It increases his sense of power.
A strong EU is a double edged sword, but changing the alignment to restore some kind of balance is what world needs to progress without destroying itself.
TL;DR: We are on the wrong side of a triangle. Make is square.
Q
If Russia is winning so mightily, why is it willing to make concessions as suggested here:
https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/ukraine-russia-draw-up-tentative-peace-plan-to-end-war-report-101647446527562.html
I do not know who’s propaganda game is stronger.
https://twitter.com/just_whatever/status/1504144895501557762
Putin talking about anti-war protestors as a 5th column.
Who needs propaganda when he says the stuff in the open.
Crack downs in Russia coming.
American Who Lived 8 Years in Ukraine Speaks Out on Russia War
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RVn_bslSKQ
Dozens Killed By Ukrainian Cluster Bomb Attack On Center Donetsk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANNhDKGjNK8
Yes indeed, Q, war is bad.
Look what Putin has made them do.
Yes that is sarcasm.
But it is also Putin’s main argument. “Look what you made me do”.
George Galloway: “Ukraine – Russia war: A nuclear war Ahead?”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChrSGp8XNx8
In Mariupol, there is a cleansing of neo-Nazi militants
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtKpJozVMbc
ShanghaiEye: “Russia says it has long destroyed all chemical weapons, noting Ukraine’s ‘false flag’ ops”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERmMYoo1v3U
George Galloway: “I will never support Nazis, George Galloway vows, Remember the thousands murdered at Babi Yar”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsRLr3nQgds
Are you being paid by the post?
Most of what you give us is coming from 2nd hand Russian sources, so I discount most of it right off.
Alex Christoforou: The puppet speaks to the puppet masters. Update 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrHvfklmD8o
Q:
Information? Or disinformation?
“Russian soldiers warn Putin ‘we’ll RISE against you’ after they were made to carry out ‘terror acts’ in Ukraine and label Mariupol hospital bombing ‘a perverse neo-Nazism'”
IMO more information than disinformation.
Putin has painted himself into a corner due to underestimating his opponents resolve AND the real costs that he is now sustaining related to his economy and legitimately being labeled a war criminal in the eyes or a majority of the world.
Putin has big problems, and they are of his own making. Lots of bad intel and inferior strategy and overestimating his troops resolve and abilities related to an invasion of Ukraine.
The problem with a wounded animal? You know the rest.
Putin within the next two weeks or so will either be forced to retreat, and or “Retire”.
Whatever form that may take.
What do we need to do? Get the Ukraine as many Stingers and Javelins as possible, ammo, food, fuel and let the Ukrainians take care of their business and get their adversary in a negotiating position to their best advantage. There will be no ideal end to this on either side, especially Vlads.
Some supporting commentary that illustrates Putin’s ill preparedness and miscalculations:
https://youtu.be/dBYdUtqNni4
Only going to make him more dangerous, a rabid dog.
You know how rabid dogs wind up?
As it seems, Mariupol will fall at the weekend.
“Zelensky’s speech to US Congress. Putin’s speech to the Russian people”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A0DeNDirbI
Cotour:
Here is a real report and no western propaganda, misinformation and lies.
Use subtitles.
Capture of Chuguev and Ugledar. Summary for 03/17/2022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWXRFXgyfY4
Amir Fahmi:
Putin’s opponents :
Zelensky – comedian turned President.
Biden – an old senile
Kamala – cackles like a hen
“It’s not just the tripling of energy bills, they’ll dwarf income and be unapayable. (2min 15 s)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1XtY0RKeeY
Scott Ritter is a former Marine Corps intelligence officer and a United Nations weapons inspector, from 1991 to 1998. He’s a loud critic of US foreign policy.
He gives insight views into present Russian tactics…
“Scott Ritter – Russia does not want this war”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NlO_9utT_k
This Ritter guy seems full of it.
Russia does not want this? Russia invaded.
Russia does not want to kill civilians? They blew up a maternity hospital. Schools. Theatres used as bomb shelters. I guess they needed to de-nazify those unborn babies.
It does not matter what you post. I make no prediction on how this war will end.
But no matter what you post, you will never convince me that Putin was justified.
@sippin – he’ll never convince me he isn’t posting for those sweet rubles ?
Mariupol final stages. Russia says goodbye to Globalist system.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bylx1frS-n4
Cotour, why do Americans die for a lost case?
“During the offensive on Marinka the stronghold of the 1st mech. battalion of the 54th brigade ?? , Multiple NATO weapons were captured including NLAW, SMAW , AN / TPQ-48 radars and personal belongings of American “instructors” who fought on the side of the Ukrainian Nazi battalions. A US Tennessee flag and other items were found in a backpack near the remains of the killed militants, according to which the dead militants were identified as follows: Captain Michael Hawker (Cpt. Michael Hawker), Lieutenant Logan Shrum (Lt. Logan Shrum) and Lieutenant Cruz Toblin (Lt. Cruz Tomblin). One more American was just killed moments ago during the Russian offensive on Chernigov.”
https://t.me/asbmil/732
People / young men in particular do things for all kinds of different reasons.
The danger? Adventure? The rush of having the potential to be killed or kill? A true cause? Defending family or relatives? Patriotism?
Lots of reasons.