CDC admits its almost impossible to catch COVID from surfaces
The CDC last week finally admitted what had been well determined since May of last year, that there is no point in endlessly cleaning all surfaces everywhere because there is practically no chance of catching COVID-19 from surface contamination.
Turns out the risk of getting COVID-19 from touching an infected surface is “generally” 1 in 10,000, according to a new CDC study. That means “that each contact with a contaminated surface has less than a 1 in 10,000 chance of causing an infection,” the CDC explained in a statement.
Instead, the virus is mainly transmitted via the air — which essentially defeats the purpose of all the disinfecting wipes, and business owners feeling the need to obsessively make certain everything in their respective establishments was thoroughly scrubbed.
Of course, the CDC is still demanding everyone wear masks, even though the research for decades shows that unless you wear the right kind of mask properly, it likely does more harm then good. At a minimum it is nothing more than empty theater, a recommendation that has nothing to do with science and data and everything to do with emotions.
From the beginning of this epidemic the CDC has failed at being a trustworthy scientific organization, instead making pronouncements not based on scientific research but on feelings and sometimes a political agenda (defeating Donald Trump). Until there is a real-house-cleaning in that corrupt organization, there is no reason for anyone to trust anything they say.
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The CDC last week finally admitted what had been well determined since May of last year, that there is no point in endlessly cleaning all surfaces everywhere because there is practically no chance of catching COVID-19 from surface contamination.
Turns out the risk of getting COVID-19 from touching an infected surface is “generally” 1 in 10,000, according to a new CDC study. That means “that each contact with a contaminated surface has less than a 1 in 10,000 chance of causing an infection,” the CDC explained in a statement.
Instead, the virus is mainly transmitted via the air — which essentially defeats the purpose of all the disinfecting wipes, and business owners feeling the need to obsessively make certain everything in their respective establishments was thoroughly scrubbed.
Of course, the CDC is still demanding everyone wear masks, even though the research for decades shows that unless you wear the right kind of mask properly, it likely does more harm then good. At a minimum it is nothing more than empty theater, a recommendation that has nothing to do with science and data and everything to do with emotions.
From the beginning of this epidemic the CDC has failed at being a trustworthy scientific organization, instead making pronouncements not based on scientific research but on feelings and sometimes a political agenda (defeating Donald Trump). Until there is a real-house-cleaning in that corrupt organization, there is no reason for anyone to trust anything they say.
The support of my readers through the years has given me the freedom and ability to analyze objectively the ongoing renaissance in space, as well as the cultural changes -- for good or ill -- that are happening across America. Four years ago, just before the 2020 election I wrote that Joe Biden's mental health was suspect. Only in this year has the propaganda mainstream media decided to recognize that basic fact.
Fourteen years ago I wrote that SLS and Orion were a bad ideas, a waste of money, would be years behind schedule, and better replaced by commercial private enterprise. Even today NASA and Congress refuse to recognize this reality.
In 2020 when the world panicked over COVID I wrote that the panic was unnecessary, that the virus was apparently simply a variation of the flu, that masks were not simply pointless but if worn incorrectly were a health threat, that the lockdowns were a disaster and did nothing to stop the spread of COVID. Only in the past year have some of our so-called experts in the health field have begun to recognize these facts.
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COVID – The Chinese Corona Virus (CCV) is only through the air but:
We can create the next super biological (or many of them) by killing all but the most resilient bacteria on surfaces and hands by mandating or strongly scaring people into using anti-bacterial cleaners and soaps. Overuse anti-bacterials such that the1 these remaining bacteria can grow and be selected again and again with more anti-bacterial cleaners. Simultaneously keep these bacteria from peoples immune systems so they don’t gather natural resistance. Repeat until the super bacteriologicals are strongly resistant to the anti-bacterial cleaners. Continue this cycle ad infinatum.
Increase chances for a wide range of these bacteria by doing this nationwide or world wide.
Sounds like a plan…
Add to that the failure to accept inexpensive therapeutic approaches to early treatment of covid
or even aggressive preventative treatment with common known safe drugs.
10s of thousands of lives could have been saved.
And the economy could have been less crippled
Giving a single shot that gives 94% protection and delaying the second shot
to give another individual the benefit of earlier vaccination could have speeded
herd immunity and opened the economy sooner.
What was the Fauci thinking ??
What were they all thinking ??
This is 6th grade math.
It would be nice if RZ gave a link and/or a source for these highlighted statements so we could check these statements with the CDC itself. because RZ sometimes plays fast and loose with sources and statements. For example the May 2020 link above does NOT state that the CDC thought surface contamination was insignificant (certainly not 1 in 10000, although it may now believe so):
“It may be possible that a person can get COVID-19 by touching a surface or object that has the virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose, or possibly their eyes,” the CDC also states on its site. “This is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads, but we are still learning more about this virus.”
Is RZ being disingenuous or just sloppy?
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/science-and-research/surface-transmission.html
m d mill wrote: “For example the May 2020 link above does NOT state that the CDC thought surface contamination was insignificant (certainly not 1 in 10000, although it may now believe so”
Wasn’t that Robert’s point?
From Robert’s post: “The CDC last week finally admitted what had been well determined since May of last year, that there is no point in endlessly cleaning all surfaces everywhere because there is practically no chance of catching COVID-19 from surface contamination.” [Emphasis mine.]
Is m d mill disingenuous or is he sloppily not comprehending the posts?
I posted the direct link to the CDC.gov site that does actually say 1 in 10000.
Rather than repeat myself, Tucker Carlson says it with flare. April 14, 17min.
Asking questions about the vaccinations and why the safest vaccination in history has now been pulled from the market. (Three states suspended giving the vaccinations because so many bad reactions)
Johnson and Johnson found out too late that the wrong mixture went out to the public?
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6248922358001#sp=show-clips
(I hope this works from the source, other copies have been deleted)
Only 1% of the people having vaccine reactions is being reported, the problem is more severe than the public knows. In Israel, the head of the health department said your 40% more likely to die from the vaccination them from COVID-19.
They haven’t figured out yet that a one size fits all vaccination it’s a bad idea. You can’t give the same amount to 100 pound woman as you give to a 300 pound man. No wonder so many women stop making platelets and have brain bleeds.
If you have an hour and a half, here’s a highly recommended medical explanation from a doctor to a church congregation answering a variety of questions on the current subject.
https://ugetube.com/watch/covid-19-masks-and-the-vaccine-with-dr-lee-merritt_KmgrwbGkyiTCrSQ.html
While I was at work, I listen to a cult specialist describing the current movement. The masks represent much more as a symbol then a medical appliance. (if you can smell perfume or smoke through a mask, then it’s not effective against a virus) he explained as an example why global warming failed to create a sense of panic, then changed its name to “climate change” because the lack of the warming evidence… People were believing their “lying eyes”, and not the official narrative. Globalist/socialist learn from their mistakes, this emergency involving an invisible enemy will be better managed.
No one is scared or in a sense of panic when no bodies are in the streets dropping dead from COVID-19. Because no one knows anybody who had died and the death statistics were underwhelmed to the point that the official record had to be falsified… The media had to exaggerate and show us what to believe, what they need us to see…
The only reminder or proof that we were under a state of emergency is the ever present facemask. Without it in our face to remind us, they could not keep up the lie of the pandemic to take control of everyone’s lives. Essentially, if everything is normal, people act normal. Never let the “new normal” slip or you lose your control! The masks are here to stay to maintain the illusion for fear porn and compliance until it’s too late. Now you have the answer to Tucker Carlson’s question of “why we must still wear the masks” even if we’ve had our fake vaccinations.
One of the methods of maintaining or resurrecting the resurgence or second wave is to label all deaths, even car accidents (and a man falling off the ladder) as COVID-19, they are willing to pay you a considerable amount not to change the death certificate… Or to allow them to miss label your loved ones death as COVID-19, they will pay you for your silence. Free money. (When you receive something for free, you are the product) $7000.
https://www.fema.gov/disasters/coronavirus/economic/funeral-assistance
To educate yourself, from numerous specialists, doctors, medical reporters on the subject, go to brandnewtube.com nearly all the medical professionals and videos there have been banned from YouTube and other venues.
The black listing continues, even the liberals are worried where the country of “the home of the free” has gone.
Russia is going to war, it is said it cannot longer be stopped. Scroll through the never ending articles here;
https://theblogginghounds.com/
And this particular article how Vancouver has fallen to the Chinese.
https://theblogginghounds.com/2021/04/13/is-trudeau-handing-control-of-vancouver-international-airport-over-to-communist-china/
I’ve heard rumors of Chinese military forces in bases recently erected in Canada, and Canadian troops training with Chinese divisions there.
Is Taiwan a distraction while the end game is being played behind our back to be used when we least expect it? When the masks no longer work to make the people afraid or compliant, a real war or false flag event will serve the same purpose?
The Chinese just announced they intend to activate their digital currency removing paper money. To be used along with their social score of course. (A Chinese journalist just learned his social score was in the toilet, even though he had never done anything wrong, his job was to interview or call suspected criminals in the news… So his association condemned him)
A similar announcement by our federal reserve is not a coincidence. Social justice will soon determine your net worth, if you survive.
The people of America, the audience, is watching:
https://youtu.be/ve4JZRGkrHU
And the Democrats know what is coming related to their performance.
Wow Cotour;
Dr. Fauci can dish it out but he can’t take it. Apparently CDC guidelines are just for Americans, they have no authority over illegal aliens. Actually, the health department has no authority at all! How do they get away with it?
Jordan’s turn to put the screws Fauci, he still had no answers.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rh7_bKweDVk
And yet, if you haven’t noticed, this all happened under the Republicans watch which makes the accusations look like children before their father complaining of who spilled the milk…
With the jug pouring out it’s contents with no one doing anything to stop it, just complaining about how big the mess is. I believe the Z-man calls this political “failure theater”.
There is a training camp for the military in Texas that could easily, as part of its training routine, make regular excursions along the border for experience without risk. (but they will be prepared if there’s a problem, they are the military and are legally obliged to protect our border… They’re already nearby anyway and it will be a great deterrent)
It’s time to set up an African style refugee camp in Mexico rather than pay 75,000 per alien in the US. (very little of that cost is actually given to the illegal alien, this is a money laundering scheme for the Democrats)
If I had the power, I would arrange for every country to have a autonomous green zone for those who want to immigrate to the United States. Voluntarily setting up economic capitalist ventures with freedoms and laws they would have in the USA with the independence to be successful. (undoubtedly a reliable source of taxation) An experiment that would catch on in other provinces giving refugees a place to go. Not to mention all the illegal aliens in this country would have a place to return to that they would be welcomed to teach others how we do it. Illegals love this country because of the safety and opportunity, but they fly home often because “this is not home”. What we have here, can be replicated elsewhere so everyone can have our opportunities. If the heavily armed gangs can just be removed…
The way Hong Kong was meant to be under self rule before the Chinese ruined it.
Since I have a day off, I think I’ll post an update.
“About 5,800 people who have been vaccinated against coronavirus have become infected anyway, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention tells CNN.”
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/covid-19-vaccine-news/
“2,578 reports of anaphylaxis, with 53% of cases attributed to the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, 44% to Moderna and 3% to J&J vaccine, which was rolled out in the U.S. on March 2.”
One of hundreds of articles on the most effective vaccine ever made… but minimal testing.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/capillary-leak-syndrome-astrazeneca-jab-johnson-and-johnson-jab-blood-clots-b928950.html?itm_source=Internal&itm_channel=homepage_trending_article_component&itm_campaign=trending_section&itm_content=1
This one is older but is still being talked about.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/experimental-vaccine-death-rate-for-israels-elderly-40-times-higher-than-covid-19-deaths-researchers
Websites dedicated to this train wreck/fake pandemic are popping up everywhere.
https://thevaccinereaction.org/
I think I have it off my chest for another week, if I have over done it, risking getting this website in trouble, just ban me… I will understand. I’m not very good at being tactful in this new world of unrelenting control.
I just had my 16th Covid test, and my woke work is trying to force me to wear a health monitoring watch (I call it an ankle monitor to their face) to keep track of my heart/health, temperature, steps, sleeping habits as well as tracking my locations. *Sigh*
One of my Liberal Leftist friends sent me this article supporting the positive Vitamin D V Covid relation:
https://examine.com/nutrition/covid-19-vitamin-d/
You see, they do care about me :)
Eno & Byrne –
“America is Waiting” (1981)
https://youtu.be/TZ3w3TIYo7I
3:38
Brian Eno & David Byrne –
“Mea Culpa”
[My Life In The Bush of Ghosts 1981]
https://youtu.be/TZ3w3TIYo7I
4:57
“…. I’m saying I’m sorry, I made a mistake,
I made… I committed a sin,
I made a mistake. and I’m never gonna do it again,
I never did it before and I’m never gonna do it again.”
If I had the power, I would arrange for every country to have a autonomous green zone for those who want to immigrate to the United States … What we have here, can be replicated elsewhere so everyone can have our opportunities. If the heavily armed gangs can just be removed … The way Hong Kong was meant to be under self rule before the Chinese ruined it.
Max, if the Democrats really cared like they proclaim they do, they would be intervening in the sourcing nations for illegals to either arrange that, or make the whole nation that … and end the theft of their citizens’ birthright that motivates them to come here.
But that is too “imperialist” for their taste. And they don’t get to trade their “caring” for votes here.
It turns out that after the initial fear and learning curve, common sense put you way ahead of the Covid curve from the start. And the government as was identified early here on BTB did exactly the opposite, which is par for the course.
Bret Weinstein and wife on the effects of sunlight and moving air on contracting Covid: https://youtu.be/kXKlIaoxaKA
Sun light and moving the air that potentially contains Covid reduces the likelihood of contracting it. (Fans in doors for me)
Most people are Vitamin D deficient, especially if you have darker skin. And if you are older, obese, have diabetes or have other health issues your risk of contracting Covid and it becoming severe is greatly increased. So increase your Vitamin D intake as directed by your doctor and give those who have these at risk conditions priority in receiving any vaccine that might help protect them. And keep the air moving so as to disperse any Covid concentrations in the air.
https://foodforthought.org.uk/2021/04/08/irish-government-report-on-vitamin-d/#:~:text=Irish%20Government%20report%20on%20vitamin%20D%20On%20April,an%20Irish%20government%20report%2C%20published%207th%20March%202021.
“Dr Faul adds that during the second wave of the pandemic, he saw high numbers of people in ICU with vitamin D deficiency again. “Their levels were in their low 20s. We thought the message had got out there, but clearly people are not taking enough of the supplements. Public health officials here agree that taking up to 4,000 internal units per day is safe.”
FACE MASKS? FANS? THIS IS THE SCIENCE
“The physical properties of medical and non-medical facemasks suggest that facemasks are ineffective to block viral particles due to their difference in scales [16], [17], [25]. According to the current knowledge, the virus SARS-CoV-2 has a diameter of 60 nm to 140 nm [nanometers (billionth of a meter)] [16], [17], while medical and non-medical facemasks’ thread diameter ranges from 55 µm to 440 µm [micrometers (one millionth of a meter), which is more than 1000 times larger [25]. Due to the difference in sizes between SARS-CoV-2 diameter and facemasks thread diameter (the virus is 1000 times smaller), SARS-CoV-2 can easily pass through any facemask [25]. In addition, the efficiency filtration rate of facemasks is poor, ranging from 0.7% in non-surgical, cotton-gauze woven mask to 26% in cotton sweeter material [2]. With respect to surgical and N95 medical facemasks, the efficiency filtration rate falls to 15% and 58%, respectively when even small gap between the mask and the face exists [25].”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7680614/
Given the scientific facts surrounding the efficacy of face masks worn outside of the professional medical environment.
I say keep the doors open and move the air with fans in order to disperse any concentrations of the virus that may be present, face masks when socially appropriate, habitually taking Vitamin D to strengthen and support your immune system, up to 4000 IU appears to be safe, check with your doctor first, generally get out in the fresh air, stay away from people in closed areas, and don’t pick your nose unless you have washed your hands. (Everyone picks their nose now and then).
Common sense is usually your best friend, and this current situation is no different.
And if you have medical conditions that may increase your susceptibility to getting the virus and may increase your chances of a bad result and feel that one of the vaccines will protect you should you contract the virus then by all means, consult your doctor and get it if you both agree that its the best for you. Be smart, stay safe.
And, Dr. Fauci? I no longer trust him, he long ago surrendered truth for politics.
Fauci is an S.O.M. manipulator, a politician in other words.
Example “156” of Edwards inane comments about my comments:
Edward
April 13, 2021 at 9:11 pm
“” m d mill wrote: “For example the May 2020 link above does NOT state that the CDC thought surface contamination was insignificant (certainly not 1 in 10000, although it may now believe so”
Wasn’t that Robert’s point?
From Robert’s post: “The CDC last week finally admitted what had been well determined since May of last year, that there is no point in endlessly cleaning all surfaces everywhere because there is practically no chance of catching COVID-19 from surface contamination.” [Emphasis mine.]
Is m d mill disingenuous or is he sloppily not comprehending the posts? “”
No, RZ indicated a “well determined” result of “practically no chance…of surface contamination” from MAY 2020!!(with a link to that “evidence”). There was no such determination in May 2020, as I pointed out. RZ was playing fast and loose with the facts to make his case, as I originally stated.
Is Edward being disingenuous or just sloppy? No the kind of warped clueless inanity of his comments (primarily in response to my original comments) is his norm. He rarely fails to go out of the way to make an inane rebuttal to my original comments, that is his thing.
m d mill.
Just because you were not around in May of 2020 dies not mean that the rest of us weren’t, either. We remember that despite the CDC’s stupidity, many others figured it out. You didn’t, but many others did, and it was reported in several places. Indeed, it is one of the reasons that anti-social media bans anything that disagrees with their own story. I wonder how many people had been cancelled because they said what the CDC now recognizes as true. Are they now being un-cancelled with appropriate apologies and compensation?
Now even the CDC can no longer ignore the truth.
If you are not being disingenuous, then you are not being smart.
Edward
“If you are not being disingenuous, then you are not being smart.”
Your above criticisms are mostly incorrect and certainly not germane. You really live in your own little world where you get to fantasize about what I actually believe about the US Covid response. Which is strange because i have stated it many times eg:
“…HOWEVER,
this is completely separate from the question “if and when” masking should be required by government or private businesses. If very few people are infectious and very few infected people are in any significant danger, then masks may well be unnecessary or not worth the trouble to the general public, regardless of how effective masks may be in principle in reducing exhaled particles from infectious persons [In practice mask mandates don’t SEEM to have made much difference on death rates for the reasons given above AND because people do not, and can not wear them most of the time–which is when the infection transmission actually occurs]. Also, as a society we may view viruses as a natural inevitable risk and require isolation/avoidance to be the responsibility of the individual (which tends to be my position). These are separate valid and essential questions.”
and
“…And I do agree with the general sentiment of that [RZ] post. The number of people in the U.S. mortally threatened (ie needing hospitalization) of covid is about 4 in 1000 per year. The number of covid-19 induced deaths is about half of that…hardly an existential crisis warranting the egregious devastation of an economy, personal finances, private businesses, education, and the social health and happiness of entire societies.”
My critisism of RZ here was only that he often plays fast and loose with the facts, as I “proved” here and elsewhere.
Specifically, RZ indicated a “well determined” result of “practically no chance…of surface contamination” FROM THE CDC from MAY 2020!!(with a link to that “evidence”). There was no such CDC determination in May 2020, as I pointed out. RZ was playing fast and loose with this specific “fact” to make or bolster his case, as I originally stated. Pure and simple.
Are you being disingenuous in your criticism or just sloppy? No, the kind of warped clueless inanity of your comments (primarily in response to my original comments) are your norm, specific to you. You rarely fail to go out of the way to make an inane or even cogent rebuttal to my original comments. That seems to be your thing. I rarely, if ever, go out of my way to criticize your original comments.
Is there any possibility that you would (or could) admit that my specific and narrowly stated point in this case is correct, regardless any emotional biases?
I would like to think so.
m d mill,
You asked: “Is there any possibility that you would (or could) admit that my specific and narrowly stated point in this case is correct, regardless any emotional biases?”
Let me give it a try:
It seems that you have forgotten the topic. The CDC was not talking about masks, in this case, but has finally admitted that contact spread, surface contamination, is not a problem to worry about.
“My critisism of RZ here was only that he often plays fast and loose with the facts, as I ‘proved’ here and elsewhere.”
Actually, you have proved no such thing. Robert presents links to back up his statements. Just because you don’t like the statement does not mean that the link does not exist or is not sufficient. Unless you believe that the CDC continues to fear spread by surface contact, I really don’t understand your problem. Are you making baseless statements in order to elicit an emotional response?
Robert’s statements about several topics on the Wuhan flu are consistent with medical facts that have been known for decades, such as mask use. On the other hand, there is plenty of Lysenkoan faux science, inn the past year, that contradicts past findings but backs up the government’s new position on such things as masks, science presented by those who are funded by government, giving the impression of a conflict of interest, as we have seen in the climate science field. There is a lot of valid skepticism when scientists suddenly discover that decades or centuries of scientific findings are no longer valid, that the government’s new position on the topic is suddenly true.
Even so, the CDC does not recognize masks as providing any protection, as evidenced by their recommended response to exposure:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/php/public-health-recommendations.html
Unless the universe actually changes in order to match government’s positions, then science does not work this way, and the CDC agrees. After all, who was right, Galileo or the Pope (more correctly, several Popes)?
Oh, rats. On reviewing the comment, especially your question, it looks like the answer is “no,” but not due to emotional bias.